israel and the white phosphorus use....guilty or not guilty

[Dinosaur]

well, they hamas took claims for lots of bombings so that is a easy question - they did that to them selves... as for who get to decied the rules - the ones with the most power,

and really? (about my neighbor...???) first, we as a society to that all the time it is call probation.

lets not go very far behind, cause i don't like the blame blame game.
lets just talk about the recent issues. do you agree with that israel started the attack first after the end of the cease fire agreement, and that zero rockets were fired by hamas during the agreement?

if that so, than i want blame hamas for shipping rockets to israel.

as for who get to decied the rules - the ones with the most power,

that's right, welcome to the new world of show me your muscles and i will show you mine.

[Dinosaur]

that would be nice if it were true... are you saying hamas is not a terrorist gov? (and also think twice before you answer)

please, don't answer my question by giving me another question?

[BuffedGuy]

Buffedguy, I have a question for you Please keep you answer to the one question. When a bomb or rocket explodes does it injury and kill all the people around it. (no matter what kind of bomb or rocket it is.....thank you

The answer is obvious: a bomb's impact has a certain radius, and whatever is in that radius will be destroyed.

buffedguy, I am sorry for this second question but ment to ask it with the other one....again please just answer the question? when the bomb or rocket goes off can it tell what it is going to injury or kill?

The bomb or rocket cannot. The person firing the bomb or rocket can.

[Dinosaur]

Buffedguy, I have a question for you Please keep you answer to the one question. When a bomb or rocket explodes does it injury and kill all the people around it. (no matter what kind of bomb or rocket it is.....thank you

no it does not. here is the prove.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/wor...phosphorus.cnn

[BuffedGuy]

no it does not. here is the prove.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/wor...phosphorus.cnn

Look at the end of the video clip, where they say how first Israel lied and denied using white phosphorous, then it later admitted to using it. These people are nothing but liars. Just like they say "oh we attacked Gaza because of rocket attacks", and then when that's disproved by the fact that Hamas fired zero rockets during the ceasefire, they switch allegations and say "oh Hamas uses other ways to attack us."

[Dinosaur]

Look at the end of the video clip, where they say how first Israel lied and denied using white phosphorous, then it later admitted to using it. These people are nothing but liars. Just like they say "oh we attacked Gaza because of rocket attacks", and then when that's disproved by the fact that Hamas fired zero rockets during the ceasefire, they switch allegations and say "oh Hamas uses other ways to attack us."

i know well how they dance back and forth but their tone is old dated.
i just want to see them stand up just one time and say yes we did what we did and be honest about it. instead, they always say ohh we are looking into this allegation, we are invastigating, we are conducting our own democractic way of investigation...etc
at least when hamas or other groups fire rockets they claim responsibility.

[BuffedGuy]

i know well how they dance back and forth but their tone is old dated.
i just want to see them stand up just one time and say yes we did what we did and be honest about it. instead, they always say ohh we are looking into this allegation, we are invastigating, we are conducting our own democractic way of investigation...etc
at least when hamas or other groups fire rockets they claim responsibility.

I love the "we are investigating" routine.

[amcon]

Wow, lol. You were seriously born about a couple hundred years late. That kind of White Man's Burden talk died long time ago. Yes Big White Man, please educate us Brown Brothers.

you always give me the win when you go "there", that is history not my opinion...

i dont need to win at this - just try looking past your side and look at the whole picture

[amcon]

lets not go very far behind, cause i don't like the blame blame game.
lets just talk about the recent issues. do you agree with that israel started the attack first after the end of the cease fire agreement, and that zero rockets were fired by hamas during the agreement?

if that so, than i want blame hamas for shipping rockets to israel.



that's right, welcome to the new world of show me your muscles and i will show you mine.

this is the info i have used to guide my opinions: if it is wrong i am willing to look at the other sides as well, as for cnn i believe they are the least bias

(CNN) -- Palestinians activated an explosive device and a Palestinian was killed by Israeli helicopter fire early Tuesday in the first incidents of violence since last week's Mideast cease-fire, according to Hamas and Israeli army sources.
A family sleeps outside their destroyed house in Jabalia's Ezbet Abed Rabbo district in northern Gaza.

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The explosive device was detonated against an Israeli army patrol along the border just north of Kissufim crossing about 8 a.m. Tuesday.

In the fighting, an Israeli soldier was killed and three others were wounded, according to the Israeli military.

The Palestinian was killed by Israeli helicopter fire east of Khan Yunis, near the border fence with Israel, about 90 minutes later.

Israel closed the crossings between Israel and Gaza after the explosive was detonated, a defense ministry spokesman said.

Israel launched its 22-day assault on Hamas, the Palestinian movement which controls Gaza, on December 27. More than 1,300 Palestinians died during the air and ground campaign, and 13 Israelis were killed.

Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire in mid-January, and pulled its troops out by January 21.

It said the operation aimed to stop Palestinian militants from firing rockets into Israel from Gaza.

[amcon]

please, don't answer my question by giving me another question?

ok great answer the question

[amcon]

no it does not. here is the prove.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/wor...phosphorus.cnn

come on that is not even realistic

[amcon]

Look at the end of the video clip, where they say how first Israel lied and denied using white phosphorous, then it later admitted to using it. These people are nothing but liars. Just like they say "oh we attacked Gaza because of rocket attacks", and then when that's disproved by the fact that Hamas fired zero rockets during the ceasefire, they switch allegations and say "oh Hamas uses other ways to attack us."

hamas did acording to cnn - hamas even killed the israels - hours later a militant was killed from a israelly helicopter

[amcon]

I love the "we are investigating" routine.

oh man, that is cause they are a terriorist group and like the neg attention... wow, wow, wow, of coarse they take credit for killing others that is who they are...

[jimmyinkedup]

This just proves what we all already knew ... governments/ people lie for propaganda purposes ...especially in wartime. Nothing new. The White phos issue ..imo no big deal ...no wartime violations occurred. The lying about it ...is anyone surprised? Think your government hasnt done the same in similar circumstances to bolster public and international support? Regardless of nationality i am confident they have. Is there ever a truly moral and ethical war ? Even WW2 was riddled with propaganda and lies from both sides ..and if that isnt an example of justifiable military action i dont know what is. Dont get it twisted ...this conflict is a disgrace - those who have seen my posts in other threads know where i stand.

[*RAGE*]

no it does not. here is the prove.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/wor...phosphorus.cnn

Like I have said before if that was a W-P burn it looked better then some I have seen that were not. They all burn, They all KILL, That is the rocket or bombs JOB.....You get your proof from the new and web. No medical investigation no chemical investigation to so that it was w-p...

[amcon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ30UT9PsNw

well, i dont know from this video, if a bomb goes off you might be ok...

and just for referance he shot off like 5 rockest in about 20 seconds... 200 a day is very accurate, as for the cost? does any one know what those rockets cost? how bout a new arm or hand? i would have asked how much a new black hat cost but he def wont be needing that...

[*RAGE*]

The words they were saying while they were shooting I cant spell them but it means in the name of god...How f**k is that....I guess it was INSHALLAH (GOD'S WILL)

[Dinosaur]

this is the info i have used to guide my opinions: if it is wrong i am willing to look at the other sides as well, as for cnn i believe they are the least bias

(CNN) -- Palestinians activated an explosive device and a Palestinian was killed by Israeli helicopter fire early Tuesday in the first incidents of violence since last week's Mideast cease-fire, according to Hamas and Israeli army sources.
A family sleeps outside their destroyed house in Jabalia's Ezbet Abed Rabbo district in northern Gaza.

A family sleeps outside their destroyed house in Jabalia's Ezbet Abed Rabbo district in northern Gaza.
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The explosive device was detonated against an Israeli army patrol along the border just north of Kissufim crossing about 8 a.m. Tuesday.

In the fighting, an Israeli soldier was killed and three others were wounded, according to the Israeli military.

The Palestinian was killed by Israeli helicopter fire east of Khan Yunis, near the border fence with Israel, about 90 minutes later.

Israel closed the crossings between Israel and Gaza after the explosive was detonated, a defense ministry spokesman said.

Israel launched its 22-day assault on Hamas, the Palestinian movement which controls Gaza, on December 27. More than 1,300 Palestinians died during the air and ground campaign, and 13 Israelis were killed.

Israel declared a unilateral cease-fire in mid-January, and pulled its troops out by January 21.

It said the operation aimed to stop Palestinian militants from firing rockets into Israel from Gaza.

it is abvious to conclude that there were no rocket attacks as you claimed before. this time they are talking about bombs. very strange.
iam woundering if they were able to stop the rockets from gaza!

[Dinosaur]

come on that is not even realistic

how? what's this thing that is realistic to you?

[Dinosaur]

well, i dont know from this video, if a bomb goes off you might be ok...

and just for referance he shot off like 5 rockest in about 20 seconds... 200 a day is very accurate, as for the cost? does any one know what those rockets cost? how bout a new arm or hand? i would have asked how much a new black hat cost but he def wont be needing that...

the video you posted is from iraq not palastine.
and i don't know what's the point of posting it? and i don't see anyhting sacrcastic about the guy he died fighting for his contry is it a crime to do that? is it diffrent from what we hear in the news when they tell us friendly fire got cut up between the coalition forces or the hlicopter got shut down due to mechanical problem.

[BuffedGuy]

the video you posted is from iraq not palastine.

lol this is the "proof" that the guy uses.

Next thing you know he will be posting videos from the GI Joe cartoon as a proof. But if you post a link from CNN, beware, that's just not realistic!

and i don't see anyhting sacrcastic about the guy he died fighting for his contry is it a crime to do that?

May God enter him into the highest ranks in Paradise.

is it diffrent from what we hear in the news when they tell us friendly fire got cut up between the coalition forces or the hlicopter got shut down due to mechanical problem.

Yes, it is different. He's a dirty Saracen, not a Crusader.

[Dinosaur]

The words they were saying while they were shooting I cant spell them but it means in the name of god...How f**k is that....I guess it was INSHALLAH (GOD'S WILL)

please, next time when you are trying to make fun of somebody at least know what the are saying. its like saying hi to somebody while they ask you what u want to eat.

by the way, allah akbar means god is great. not in the name of god or inshallah.

[BuffedGuy]

please, next time when you are trying to make fun of somebody at least know what the are saying. its like saying hi to somebody while they ask you what u want to eat.

by the way, allah akbar means god is great. not in the name of god or inshallah.

And indeed, God is Most Great. Allahu Akbar.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

This just proves what we all already knew ... governments/ people lie for propaganda purposes ...especially in wartime. Nothing new. The White phos issue ..imo no big deal ...no wartime violations occurred. The lying about it ...is anyone surprised? Think your government hasnt done the same in similar circumstances to bolster public and international support? Regardless of nationality i am confident they have. Is there ever a truly moral and ethical war ? Even WW2 was riddled with propaganda and lies from both sides ..and if that isnt an example of justifiable military action i dont know what is. Dont get it twisted ...this conflict is a disgrace - those who have seen my posts in other threads know where i stand.

word....

[*RAGE*]

And indeed, God is Most Great. Allahu Akbar.

I know what it means and also what Allahu akbar mean heard it as I was hitting the ground..And I was not making fun you just making a statement......If I wanted to make fun of you it would get a lot dirtier than this but I will not go to that level...

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

babies died...god is great...

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

**** **** **** ****


this is ridiculous

[*RAGE*]

And indeed, God is Most Great. Allahu Akbar.

god is most great while firing rockets at people...and you dont see something wrong with this....?????????????????????????????????????????

[*RAGE*]

cnn news confirms that israel has indeed used a deadly weapon known as white phosphorus, yet they got away with it.
i don't have a prejudice against no side here, just standing for the truth that's all. if you want to comment, please do but, with respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQWl_uQKxOI

I don't have a prejudice against no side here, I think that has changed. Most of what I have posted here is that it does not matter if it is white phosphorus or other kinds of explosives they all kill, (which I have stated before it does not matter what is in the bombs or rockets they all injury or kill people..I think this thread has been taken way out ..and now it is them against us. Americans are not killing people in Gaze. Israel is hunting Hamas in Gaze and as I have stated before innocent people are getting killed and injuried and that is sad. Every war in history innocent people have died that is part of war....It is not the soldiers fault they are just doing there job and trying to come home..charrif I understand where you are coming from but this is just a fact of life....

[Dinosaur]

I know what it means and also what Allahu akbar mean heard it as I was hitting the ground..And I was not making fun you just making a statement......If I wanted to make fun of you it would get a lot dirtier than this but I will not go to that level...

no problem. we are all here to learn fromt each others wether its religion, culture or science..etc. the main thing is to express our selves and talk with respect about the other side that we don't hear of especially, from the main stream media.
but surely, i will not except anyone making fun of the other one no matter what your believes are.
jokes are allowed though....cheers.

[Dinosaur]

god is most great while firing rockets at people...and you dont see something wrong with this....?????????????????????????????????????????

he was not firing rockets at civilians. just correction.

[*RAGE*]

he was not firing rockets at civilians. just correction.

thanks you for your responses. I enjoyed this thread..I am sure there is more to come..

[Dinosaur]

don't have a prejudice against no side here, I think that has changed. Most of what I have posted here is that it does not matter if it is white phosphorus or other kinds of explosives they all kill, (which I have stated before it does not matter what is in the bombs or rockets they all injury or kill people..I think this thread has been taken way out ..and now it is them against us. Americans are not killing people in Gaze. Israel is hunting Hamas in Gaze and as I have stated before innocent people are getting killed and injuried and that is sad. Every war in history innocent people have died that is part of war....It is not the soldiers fault they are just doing there job and trying to come home..charrif I understand where you are coming from but this is just a fact of life....

i see where you are standing and i agree with you. but some things needs to be cleared.

the U.S is shipping money and weapons to israel so those weapons that they are using against palastinians are indeed american made along with f16's and palastinian people know that very well that's why you can see the hate against america in the middle east is growing tremendously, and as we all know that violence will only begets violence.

please, don't missunderstand my view of the situation, i have nothing against the U.S. however, america needs to change its policies in the region, be fair with everybody wether you are arab or israeli and we want to restore peace back and hold talks cause i believe that this is the only way to solve this issues and they can be done if we want to get them done. this the ideal america that i know, so which side do we want to stand on.
i respect your views.
peace.

[amcon]

ya i look at this that way too... here to see the other side... bust balls just a little along the way...

much respect charrif, prone, and others including buffedguy.

[*RAGE*]

We should call this the Rodney King thread...(can't we all just get along) LOL

[BuffedGuy]

god is most great while firing rockets at people...and you dont see something wrong with this....?????????????????????????????????????????

Not at all. They are firing rockets at soldiers who have occupied their home and country. I believe in holy war. What I demand, however, is that it be a just war. The Iraqis are defending their land from colonial occupation, and there can be nothing more just or righteous than this. This is when a Jihad (holy struggle) is ordained upon the conquered peoples, i.e. the Iraqis. It is not something that I feel we need to be revisionist about. Rather, we are proud that our religion says that Muslims should defend their lands, which the Iraqis will do, tooth and nail. If this generation cannot secure its freedom, then the next will, and if not the next, then the next after that. Our religion tells us to love and prefer peace over war, but if the enemy occupies our lands, then dying like men is better than oppression and humiliation. It is better to die standing rather than living on one's knees. Victory is from God alone. Allahu Akbar.

[*RAGE*]

Not at all. They are not firing rockets at soldiers who have occupied their home and country. I believe in holy war. What I demand, however, is that it be a just war. There can be nothing more just or righteous than fighting off foreigners who colonize our lands. Allahu Akbar.

Ok game on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My statement in the quote was based on the video where the Iraqies were firing rockets at American soldiers and one blow up killing them that is when I wrote Inshallah (gods will).....I have also been told it means (if god wills it) either way. I do not understand how you can say they are not firing rockets at soldiers who have occupied thier home and country....Then who are they firing at????????????????? No you dont believe in holy war because if you did you would be on the first plane to Gaza fighting the holy way...(IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS)..There is not such thing as a just war on what you have written....You said it (There can be nothing more just or righteous then fighting off a foreigners who colonize our lands....(first I though you were American) (second you can write all day every day on this and 1,000's of other websites but it is just words) Last but not least (MEN ARE REMEMBERED FOR THEIR ACTION NOT THEIR WORDS) Allahu Akbar click click boom

NOW YOU CHANGED IT

[*RAGE*]

^^^that was wrote on you original post

[BuffedGuy]

Ok game on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My statement in the quote was based on the video where the Iraqies were firing rockets at American soldiers and one blow up killing them that is when I wrote Inshallah (gods will).....I have also been told it means (if god wills it) either way. I do not understand how you can say they are not firing rockets at soldiers who have occupied thier home and country....Then who are they firing at?????????????????

I had a typo in my post. I accidentally said "not". I meant they *are* fighting soldiers, not civilians. I fixed the typo. Re-read it.

As for Allahu Akbar, it means "God is Most Great", not "God Willing." Insha-Allah means "God-Willing."

No you dont believe in holy war because if you did you would be on the first plane to Gaza fighting the holy way...(IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK THIS IS)..

According to Islamic Law, Jihad is ordained and obligatory on the conquered peoples, and those near them. It is a communal obligation, not an individual obligation. If a party of the believers fight the invaders off, then the rest are absolved from the obligation. In this case, it is the conquered peoples who must fight. Meanwhile, those of us living in America will caution against oppression and occupation.

first I though you were American

I am. And...?

[*RAGE*]

I had a typo in my post. I accidentally said "not". I meant they *are* fighting soldiers, not civilians. I fixed the typo. Re-read it.

I did and you change a lot

As for Allahu Akbar, it means "God is Most Great", not "God Willing." Insha-Allah means "God-Willing."

I know that is what I put and yes you did correct me already

According to Islamic Law, Jihad is ordained and obligatory on the conquered peoples, and those near them. It is a communal obligation, not an individual obligation. If a party of the believers fight the invaders off, then the rest are absolved from the obligation. In this case, it is the conquered peoples who must fight.

Ok, I have said before it is Hamas

I am. And...?

and nothing just on you original post and since you changed it it no longer makes sense

in my post I asked question and made statement concerning your post....