PROS and CONS of running a lower test dose in the cycle?

[Big]

I've done test as low as 200mg/week with 600mg/week deca. I mainly did it because of all the posts I had seen telling peeps that we can't do that, and it just didn't add up to me. The average male produces the equivalent of approx 7mg/day of test, and the deca can not shut down the test you inject, so even at 200mg/week you're likely over your natural test level. My cycles ran fine, no ed, no low sex drive, good gains. less acne and oily skin when on lower test, and less estrogen related sides. gains were a bit lower than they would have been on the same cycle with more test, so it's not always the perfect combo, but it worked for me.

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My incorrect math was changed before Big Truck bitches any more. Please forgive me guys, I only hope no one was hurt my my neglegence, and somehow the community as a whole wasn't damaged beyone repair.

[Dyke Jonze]

Glad to hear someone say that.

I personally run lower amounts of test because I'm diabetic and test greatly lowers my sensitivity to insulin.

[BIG_TRUCK]

I've done test as low as 200mg/week with 600mg/week deca. I mainly did it because of all the posts I had seen telling peeps that we can't do that, and it just didn't add up to me. The average male produces the equivalent of approx 7mg/day of test, and the deca can not shut down the test you inject, so even at 200mg/week you're likely over your natural test level. My cycles ran fine, no ed, no low sex drive, good gains. less acne and oily skin when on lower test, and less estrogen related sides. gains were a bit lower than they would have been on the same cycle with more test, so it's not always the perfect combo, but it worked for me.

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My incorrect math was changed before Big Truck bitches any more. Please forgive me guys, I only hope no one was hurt my my neglegence, and somehow the community as a whole wasn't damaged.

If your body was producing 200mgs of pure un-estered testosterone with a fairly high amount of it being free (usable), then I could see it being 2+ that of a normal males production.

Injecting 200mgs of synthetic testosterone that is estered along with the fact that it is very dependent on whether how much your body actually absorbs, would put you barely above the high end of 'normal' testosterone levels. 200mgs puts many in perfect levels , so it depends. VERY far from being 4x a normal adult males readings..... 2x maybe, again depends on how YOU respond to it.

[Big]

If your body was producing 200mgs of pure un-estered testosterone with a fairly high amount of it being free (usable), then I could see it being 2+ that of a normal males production.

Injecting 200mgs of synthetic testosterone that is estered along with the fact that it is very dependent on whether how much your body actually absorbs, would put you barely above the high end of 'normal' testosterone levels. 200mgs puts many in perfect levels , so it depends. VERY far from being 4x a normal adult males readings..... 2x maybe, again depends on how YOU respond to it.

I'm pretty sure you completely missed my point, but I'm ok with that.

[BIG_TRUCK]

I'm pretty sure you completely missed my point, but I'm ok with that.

My point was very clear.

200mgs of test is far from being 2-4x your natural amount.

Unless your 8 yrs old , then it probably is.

[Big]

My point was very clear.

200mgs of test is far from being 2-4x your natural amount.

Unless your 8 yrs old , then it probably is.

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MY point, regardless of the math, was that your test levels should not be low enough to cause ed or the other issues the parrots say you will receive when running test lower than deca. Nothing in your statement invalidated my point, you did not show any evidence that I was wrong, you simply attempted to take issue with my math. I'm not an endo, I have run this cycle and stated my personal experience in an attempt to help others. Are you saying my point is incorrct, or are you just here to try to argue?
I checked your profile and didn't see any pics, so I'm not even sure if you are someone who should be advising here or just someone who spent a little too much time reading books. Please indulge me, are you disagreeing with the point I tried to make? Are you saying that people CAN'T run lower test than deca without issue???

[BIG_TRUCK]

{sigh}
MY point, regardless of the math, was that your test levels should not be low enough to cause ed or the other issues the parrots say you will receive when running test lower than deca. Nothing in your statement invalidated my point, you did not show any evidence that I was wrong, you simply attempted to take issue with my math. I'm not an endo, I have run this cycle and stated my personal experience in an attempt to help others. Are you saying my point is incorrct, or are you just here to try to argue?
I checked your profile and didn't see any pics, so I'm not even sure if you are someone who should be advising here or just someone who spent a little too much time reading books. Please indulge me, are you disagreeing with the point I tried to make? Are you saying that people CAN'T run lower test than deca without issue???

People can run deca alone if they want. Some will have libido problems, but they will not die. Yes I agree , a TRT dose of test will potentially solve this problem. Even though this is completely off task of what I was actually assessing....

I like how you get all bent out of shape over the fact your claim that 200mgs of synthetic testosterone will bring your test values that high. I was simply saying in the real world most find it does not. It's not healthy to be so emotional over that 'BIG' guy. SIGH

[chuckt12345]

My point was very clear.

200mgs of test is far from being 2-4x your natural amount.

Unless your 8 yrs old , then it probably is.

Dude totally disagree. Once the esters become stable 50mg synthetic test is way sufficent for normal levels.
I thnk you can run deca and take 5mg/ed androderm patches and still have healthy sex drive.

[BIG_TRUCK]

Dude totally disagree. Once the esters become stable 50mg synthetic test is way sufficent for normal levels.
I thnk you can run deca and take 5mg/ed androderm patches and still have healthy sex drive.

Doctors start TRT patients out at 100mgs every week, or 200mgs every other week.
Some find the 100mgs/week to work fine while others need more to get them in normal ranges.