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    My dearest beloved brother SmoketheDays, God says of the Jews in the Quran:
    "Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand for the right: They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten in emulation of all good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous." (Quran, 3:113-3:114)
    Whereas it might be true that the majority of Jews may be passionately pro-Israeli, there are three issues here: first, many of them are ignorant of the facts; as such, we should be lenient on them and try to educate them on the reality. Secondly, the strongest opponents of Zionism are in fact a group of orthodox Jews themselves; I have linked to their sites before. Thirdly, many of the most passionate supporters of Israel are not Jews, but Zionist Christians.

    Another issue, my dear brother, is that we should not say such things as "so-called Holocaust." There is no reason to say this. We recognize the Holocaust, and we are not from those who doubt it due to hizbiyyah (partisanship/bigotry). This is exactly what the Zionists do with regards to The Catastrophe (Al-Nakbah) and the Palestinian plight. Let us not be like them! Let us be honest and straightforward, and just.

    May God reward you for your good intention. Just be careful, my dear brother, not to go to excess. God says in the Quran:

    "Let not the hatred of a people towards you move you to commit injustice." (Quran, 5:8)

    In regards to what others are saying "that both sides are wrong", such statements are as misleading as saying "both the Nazis and Jews were wrong" or "both the Native Americans and the American pioneers were wrong." The occupier/oppressor is far more wrong, and whoever denies this is obfuscating the truth. And to me, obfuscating is just as bad as lying.

    What these people mean to say by "both sides are wrong" is that neither should complain, and this is their way of shutting up the occupied and colonized people. Israel began as a colonial entity, evidenced by the fact that it started out by naming itself the Jewish Colonization Association. This was back in the day when colonialism was in vogue, so Zionists didn't have to be as Orwellian as they are now.

    How in the world can the colonized and the colonial power be considered equal in guilt? Truly absurd.

    In the Care of the Lord,
    -Saladin.
    Last edited by BuffedGuy; 01-30-2009 at 05:33 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffedguy View Post
    my dearest beloved brother smokethedays, god says of the jews in the quran:in the quran
    "not all of them are alike: Of the people of the book are a portion that stand for the right: They rehearse the signs of god all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in god and the last day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten in emulation of all good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous." (quran, 3:113-3:114)
    whereas it might be true that the majority of jews may be passionately pro-israeli, there are three issues here: First, many of them are ignorant of the facts; as such, we should be lenient on them and try to educate them on the reality. Secondly, the strongest opponents of zionism are in fact a group of orthodox jews themselves; i have linked to their sites before. Thirdly, many of the most passionate supporters of israel are not jews, but zionist christians.

    Another issue, my dear brother, is that we should not say such things as "so-called holocaust." not even close there is no reason to say this. We recognize the holocaust, and we are not from those who doubt it due to hizbiyyah (partisanship/bigotry). This is exactly what the zionists do with regards to the catastrophe (al-nakbah) and the palestinian plight. Let us not be like them! Let us be honest and straightforward, and just.

    May god reward you for your good intention. Just be careful, my dear brother, not to go to excess. God says in the quran:

    "let not the hatred of a people towards you move you to commit injustice." (quran, 5:8)

    in regards to what others are saying "that both sides are wrong", such statements are as misleading as saying "both the nazis and jews were wrong" or "both the native americans and the american pioneers were wrong." the occupier/oppressor is far more wrong, and whoever denies this is obfuscating the truth. And to me, obfuscating is just as bad as lying.is not that same thing

    what these people mean to say by "both sides are wrong" is that neither should complain, and this is their way of shutting up the occupied and colonized people. now you know how people feel israel began as a colonial entity, evidenced by the fact that it started out by naming itself the jewish colonization association. This was back in the day when colonialism was in vogue, so zionists didn't have to be as orwellian as they are now.

    How in the world can the colonized and the colonial power be considered equal in guilt? Truly absurd.

    In the care of the lord,
    -saladin.
    i wanted to say more about your post but held back....we will never agree on anything.....the way you talk and yes you are passionate about what you believe which i think is great.....i have said this before put the computer down get on a plane and fight for what you believe...you are trying to educate but it is falling on deaf ears and you can tell by how many more people are responding to these threads...(remember men are remembered for their action not their words) you can type and type but until you stand for what you believe you will be nothing more then a coward..

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