What's up with all these anti-estrogens?

[Ronnie Rowland]

if i don't run an ai my acne gets out of control. but if i'm running say 500mg test a week(i like to change up my diet more so than running more gear) with .5mg adex eod (i also run finasteride @ 1.25mg ED) i only get 1-2 spots a week.

Acne is a sign the testosterone is being accepted by your receptors. Could it be that the anti-es are buffering this effect?

[Mammon]

Acne is a sign the testosterone is being accepted by your receptors.

could you elaborate..

[LATS60]

I rarely find time to post in this section. I believe some great information is being handed out by some but I do not understand why everyone is jumping on the anti-estrogen banwagon?

Unless you are prone to gyno, preparing for a show or using very high dosages of aromatizing drugs -

1) why waste your money on anti-es?

2) why limit your gains with anti-es?

3) why kill your sex drive with anti-es?

4) why damage your joints with anti-es?

5) why kill your energy levels with anti-es

I do not understand? Will someone please explain!

What are you talking, AI's or SERMS?

FireGuy, I'm with you all the way about having them on hand in case they are needed. I spent some time over the weekend viewing multiple cycles being utilized by our board memembers and I was shocked to see that around 95% claimed to be running anti-es of various types regardless of the circumstances. They never mentioned anything about "having them on hand just in case." I think there's still some confusion regarding anti-estrogen use. Hopefully I got the wrong impression!

Same here, AI or SERM? They do after all have totally different mechanisms of action.

Also would you not agree that prevention is better than cure/surgery? Don't forget that gyno can rear it's ugly head without the precursor of itchy/sore nips, tanner II gyno for instance will have no symptoms.
You don't have to get those problems you mentioned if you use the correct med at the correct dose for you.

Oh, what mammon said, elaborate please.

[Ronnie Rowland]

What are you talking, AI's or SERMS?



Same here, AI or SERM? They do after all have totally different mechanisms of action.

Also would you not agree that prevention is better than cure/surgery? Don't forget that gyno can rear it's ugly head without the precursor of itchy/sore nips, tanner II gyno for instance will have no symptoms.
You don't have to get those problems you mentioned if you use the correct med at the correct dose for you.

Oh, what mammon said, elaborate please.

If you are not prone to gyno I see no value in taking AI'S or SERMS during a mass cycle. In fact, these drugs can be very harsh on the body.

[user12345654321]

Acne is a sign the testosterone is being accepted by your receptors. Could it be that the anti-es are buffering this effect?

ur defenity avoiding explaining this.