Hamas is at it again

[amcon]

Peace be unto you, Amcon.



Would you say that in the conflict in the 1800s between American settlers and the Native Americans that "both sides were equally wrong"? Or would you--like most reasonable people--agree that a greater share of the blame is on the colonial force? horrible that it happened... now what i will say is not liked by many people but i do believe it is one way that it was allowed by God(and for every one who may argue that they dont like a God that would allow this... get saved go to heaven and bring it up with him - what i will say is not in the bible) the establishment of usa was by God fearing christians - wanting to leave the mother country for many reasons FAITH being one of them, opportunity being another, freedom being another... the american indians were a heathenous people in need of salvation - man screwed it up and took advantage of them... i could go on and on about this - i live in the north east in a place that is central to many tribes even to this day they were put in bad places and treated less than fair - now they have been restored some land and made that land in to casinos, money drives the local tribes to use less than indian morles to live at this point. all my personal opinion.



I agree that the emotions are running high, and I apologize to you and Prone2Rage for my contribution to that. Let's all breath deeply and discuss calmly, God-Willing. Thank you Amcon for taking the lead in that.

speak softly and carry a big stick ... o wait we are on the internet - forget that last statement - lol

agreed

I do not believe in flag burning myself. I think that Denmark has a nice law with regards to this: Danish law allows their people to burn the Danish flag, but forbid the burning of any other country's flag. If I was the leader of a country--and if it were in my power--I would forbid the burning of flags, especially if the flag had any religious symbols on it, such as the Israeli flag which has the star of David on it.

agreed

Nonetheless, the fact that I disagree with flag burning does not mean that I agree with anyone who automatically assumes that the guy in the picture must be a terrorist.

i acutally dont believe he is a professional terrorist - he is acting like one - i believe he probably had the day off from work and got into the mob mentality, and was punished for his actions

But I think the one thing that was very lacking in your post--despite the fact that you were trying to clarify your position--was your complete avoidance of the topic of American soldiers urinating on Qurans and flushing them down the toilet. Your silence on this issue really speaks to your bias.

true!!! that is very disrespectfull from soldiers from a country that was made to worship any way they want - true freedom... can you post a video of this or a pic - just to prove it - it is hard to believe

"Smuggle money" is just one way of wording it. The Palestinian money has been stolen by the American government (that is exactly what "freezes accounts" amounts to), and so they are simply bringing in money that is rightfully theirs. It's only "smuggling" because the oppressor forbids it.

they smuggled the wrong things for you to make that a valid argument... if they were smuggling food that would be dif. they are smuggling weapons... it maybe their money, but that would be like you and me getting mad that the dea or cops take our gear cause weather we like it or not it is not legal w use or posses it... weather they take our cash slotted for the gear or the actual gear.

As for your opposition to this, do you also oppose Israel when they smuggle weapons and military equipment into their country:

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-19664919.html

Do you also oppose America and Israel smuggling weapons as they did in the Iran-Contra Affair? Why all these double standards?

i would have to take a look at this not just at a glance to understand and comment with a better educated point. i believe that hamas is wrong for smuggling weapons in to gaza to shoot at istael under the idea of suppression of the people living in gaza. then come put and say the people of gaza are starving and need basic supplies - that is the whole reason why they will not get what they are looking for, they can not use force to ask for help, if they do they will get slapped and innocent people die

Do you oppose Israel sending spies to various countries of the world, including America?

no, i do not oppose this... i ran the country i would do more of the spy thing


Israel is run by terrorists. Many of the prime ministers of Israel were a part of or connected to Jewish terrorist groups such as Haganah, Stern Gang, Lehi, etc. The IDF was itself a terrorist organization--called the Haganah. So your rhetoric that "Palestine is run by terrorists" is a double-standard of the worst nature.



It doesn't even make sense. They received money from unnamed sources, which they were taking back to run their land. I don't see where bribery has anything to do with anything. But I think you will just continue to say things without proof as you usually do.
PLACE NOW - INSANITY

it is a know fact much of that money comes from the usa and paleistines that are sympethic to the cause... i have personally seen this - and i have personally been told from people locally that they have sent hundreds of thousands of dollars to the middle east to support their belifs (the gentelman was actually from yamen - and was arrested for donations to the us bombing there)

i knew the lackawana (yes a very good indian name) six... al-quada spies that were implanted in the the usa to assimilate and then spread terror... they were a very respectful, clean, loyal to their religion(for lack of a better term) however, that was their goal. the street they lived on was very scarry how they had it set up!!!



I think the more intelligent question would be to ask: why are American flags being burned the world over?[/QUOTE]

because of hatred

[BuffedGuy]

Amcon--for the love of God--please clean up your post and make it readable. I refuse to read it until then, lol. Just quote and unquote, then reply, then quote and unquote, then reply, etc. It makes it easier to read and also to reply. Thank you.

[NightWolf]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.


It is not whenever anyone disagrees with me. Rather, the vast majority of people on this forum are open-minded and neutral people. There are, however, a handful of people here--the number of which I could count on my fingers--who are bigots. After interacting a lot with people on such topics, I can easily identify these types. Interestingly enough, the ones on this forum are obsessed with me, my posts, and my threads! Whenever I click on my "Ask a Muslim" thread, guess whose reading it? His name starts with N and ends with F. As brother Chariff told me, it burns up people like you that a Muslim can talk in cogent sentences and refutes all your arguments. It's burning you up inside; just admit it. You're stewing..

Dont flatter yourself, im not in any way
intrested in you or your threads, and still yet you
have NOT refuted anything from me.

You are indeed a muslim rasict and a lier.
You go around here and spread lies,
and often you end your replys by saying
"i hope i did not offend any xxxxxx"
Because thats just what you do,
you insult and offend but you do it
in a smart way because you are good with words.

I've already responded to this. As for my view on Hamas, I've already clarified that plenty of times: I am 100% opposed to their tactics, condemn that, and call them to abandon such tactics.

This is all LIES, you have NOT 100% opposed their tactics,
you have NEVER posted a thread against hamas, rather when
someone has posted something agsint them (hamas) you are
the first one to reply and defend them, this is FACT.
Oh and lets not talk about all the anti israel threads
you have started. So stop the BS.

Killing non-combatant Christians is absolutely forbidden in my religion, and what is going on in Iraq against Christian citizens is atrocious. It is a grave violation of Islamic Law and flouts morality. In regards to why I haven't brought it up on this forum, it is simply because the criticisms I have of Muslims I give to Muslims on Islamic forums. I am often posting such articles, exposing extremists. The Shia death squads and Al-Qaeda groups are extremists that need to be refuted, humiliated, and exposed for what they are. These groups in Iraq are real, the problem is real, and it cannot be whitewashed or brushed under the carpet. I am not from those who would do that.

Here we go again
Ya i have heard your BS about
the forbidden part, Still does not change
the fact that YOUR people are on a killing spree
on christians. So maybe you understand that
i dont have much empathy for such low life scums.

[BuffedGuy]

Dont flatter yourself, im not in any way
intrested in you or your threads,

Then why do you read it so much? When I open my thread, it often shows your name at the bottom.

and often you end your replys by saying
"i hope i did not offend any xxxxxx"
Because thats just what you do,
you insult and offend but you do it
in a smart way because you are good with words.

Listen, you raise a good point here. If you think I have said something offensive, then please let me know what it is, why it offended you, and then we can discuss it. For example, Derek did that once, and I didn't mind at all; it gave me a chance to clarify my stance on the issue. So again, if I say something offensive, let me know, God-Willing. It's important for us all to respect each others' sensitivities. It may be that I say something which offends you, and I should be cautious of that.

This is all LIES, you have NOT 100% opposed their tactics,
you have NEVER posted a thread against hamas,

Please read my posts in the Ask a Muslim thread in which I have posted a refutation of their tactics. I have also posted in other threads how their logic in lobbing rockets at Israel is incorrect. Like I said, I spend time refuting extremists, just like I refute Zionists, Orientalists, etc. Since there are no Muslim extremists that I know of on this forum, I do not know what benefit opening up threads refuting them would do. However, I *have* posted refutations of them in my thread.

rather when
someone has posted something agsint them (hamas) you are
the first one to reply and defend them, this is FACT.

I try my utmost to speak the truth. If I fail, then the fault is mine; if I succeed, then all praise is due to God alone.

Oh and lets not talk about all the anti israel threads
you have started. So stop the BS.

I don't think I ever denied that I opened up threads against Israel. Like I told you, I've only ever opened up threads in the news section about one topic, which is Palestine.

Here we go again
Ya i have heard your BS about
the forbidden part, Still does not change
the fact that YOUR people are on a killing spree
on christians. So maybe you understand that
i dont have much empathy for such low life scums[/B].

You see, I don't adhere to your type of mentality, which is unfortunately the way that both groups--the ardent Zionists/Neo-Cons and the extremist Muslims--think. Reducing this all down to two teams--"Oh look what your team just did!"--is a dangerous thing. Rather, we need to understand that neither Christiandom nor the Islamic world is homogeneous. Let us judge people by the works their own two hands do wright, not what may be done by their co-religionists wherever they may be on this earth.

I have no problem with you thinking that the Iranian-backed Shi'ite militia death squads or the Al-Qaeda extremists are scum-bags. I also think this. I just ask you to be fair and judge all people based on the same standard.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[amcon]

buffed every thing you do / say is against israel... as for my post just read the multi greens stuff...

and wolf nailed you on the "dont mean to offend..." brother you stated that to me...

[BuffedGuy]

buffed every thing you do / say is against israel...

Is everything I say/do against Israel? No. Am I strongly opposed to Israel? Yes. It is a colonial entity occupying Palestinian land.

as for my post just read the multi greens stuff...

Please just use the quote system and proper nettiquette. It will make discussion much easier.

and wolf nailed you on the "dont mean to offend..." brother you stated that to me...

I concede that I have used that phrase before. I am not going to defend myself. I'll just say that whenever I do end up offending any of you, please let me know so I can either clarify myself, or--if what I think is still offensive--that I could correct myself or respect your sensitivities.

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

I have thought about some of what you have said and reflected upon the matter. I am looking to improve myself and correct my faults and shortcomings. After thinking on it, I have come to the conclusion that I have used the term "bigot" too freely on this forum. From now on, I will not do that. Rather, even when I think that someone might be nearing bigotry, I will simply say "beware of bigotry, my friend", instead of "you are a bigot." And there is a monumental difference between the two phrases, in that the first is an admonition, whereas the latter is a condemnation.

Thank you for your valuable input.

May God unite our hearts upon all that which is the truth.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[NightWolf]

Then why do you read it so much? When I open my thread, it often shows your name at the bottom.

I am not saying that i have never
checked on your thread, but not many times
and far from much.

Something that bothers me with your thread
is that your very often speak about christians
and not as an opinon but as a fact, you
have yourself said that you dont know to much
about christianity, so then why not try to spread
your lies without draging christians into it?

Please read my posts in the Ask a Muslim thread in which I have posted a refutation of their tactics. I have also posted in other threads how their logic in lobbing rockets at Israel is incorrect. Like I said, I spend time refuting extremists, just like I refute Zionists, Orientalists, etc. Since there are no Muslim extremists that I know of on this forum, I do not know what benefit opening up threads refuting them would do. However, I *have* posted refutations of them in my thread.

Sure you have said that you dont agree with some of
hamas ways of doing things BUT in the same time and
on the same object you still have defended them
AND brought up something about the israels.

I try my utmost to speak the truth. If I fail, then the fault is mine; if I succeed, then all praise is due to God alone.

Sure you do, the one sided truth

I don't think I ever denied that I opened up threads against Israel.

I never said you denied, i said that you still have not
opened one about hamas, when there is soooo many
to choose from. You saying in your thread that you
whould like hamas to change some of their tactics does
not count as a thread "against" hamas.

You see, I don't adhere to your type of mentality, which is unfortunately the way that both groups--the ardent Zionists/Neo-Cons and the extremist Muslims--think. Reducing this all down to two teams--"Oh look what your team just did!"--is a dangerous thing. Rather, we need to understand that neither Christiandom nor the Islamic world is homogeneous. Let us judge people by the works their own two hands do wright, not what may be done by their co-religionists wherever they may be on this earth.

Just read your last reply and decided to delte this.

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

I think there will be more harm than good if I respond to your post. Forgive me for my faults, and may God unite our hearts upon all that which is the truth.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[NightWolf]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

I think there will be more harm than good if I respond to your post. Forgive me for my faults, and may God unite our hearts upon all that which is the truth.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

No please do respond and bring out what is in
your heart, im sure its not very friendly
but no problems, i rather have someone
tell me there true feelings or opinon
then someone that comes with a fake
smile but screams hate from his heart.

[BuffedGuy]

No please do respond and bring out what is in
your heart, im sure its not very friendly
but no problems, i rather have someone
tell me there true feelings or opinon
then someone that comes with a fake
smile but screams hate from his heart.

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

My heart does not scream hatred for you. Rather, I merely think you have some misunderstandings and sincere misconceptions, that is all. If I had any anger towards you, then it was only a fleeting feeling from my ego; it has faded and cooled.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

[NightWolf]

Peace be unto you, NightWolf.

My heart does not scream hatred for you. Rather, I merely think you have some misunderstandings and sincere misconceptions, that is all. If I had any anger towards you, then it was only a fleeting feeling from my ego; it has faded and cooled.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.

Ok, fair enough.

[Dinosaur]

i thought this thread ended looooooong time ago.
this like bringing a dead person alive, you only ganna smell stink and dirt.

[amcon]

does any one smell anything in here?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

does any one smell anything in here?

I smell Hamas, and they stink!

[Matt]

Oh good God, didnt this thread die already...

[amcon]

ya i thought it was locked down long ago...