i didnt read all of this i keep getting lost with how inaccurate you bible is i will send you a like for king james... you will actually learn more from a different bible - cause you is just very wrongOriginally Posted by GZA
Amcon… you haven’t responded to everything I posted so far so before I respond to everything I’ll let you finish your rebuttal first… but so far I have noted that you have added a few more topics onto the list as it relates to your quotes from scripture attempting to attack the Church…. I have responses for those as follows:
#1 - get a kjv bible #2 - pray to God that you have salvation and have him reviel it to you clearly
#3 - read you bible, get in to a bible study, and really listen and take notes from your priest and back up what he says in your studies
Where does the bible say I need a kjv bible??????????????? NOWHERE
Where does the bible say that I NEED to go to bible study???????? NOWHERE
Is bible study profitable? Is reading the bible a good thing? Sure. But is it necessary for salvation??????????????? Nope!!!!!!!!!!! Do you have any idea how many illiterate People there are that have lived through the centuries?????? Are they all doomed to hell?????????? Don’t be ridiculous :P
mat 23:9 - call no man father... yet what do you call a priest?
You never called your dad father??? Do you forbid your own children to refer to you as a father????? Let’s not be silly… you are clearly misinterpreting the bible, If your interpretation of this verse is correct then the bible contradicts itself and if it does that then it’s not the word of God so you should start being hindu or something.. :P
Gen 45:8
8 So now it was not you that sent me hither, but God: and he hath made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house, and a ruler throughout all the land of Egypt.
KJV
Job 29:16
16 I was a father to the poor: and the cause which I knew not I searched out.
KJV
Isa 22:21
and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah.
KJV
Wow you better go tell God that he was wrong!!!! How silly of him to declare that a mere man is a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem!!!! Doesn’t God read his bible???? Oh wait… maybe he just doesn’t interpret it the same way Protestants do!!!! That’s right because Jesus said HIS church is the one founded upon Peter… and we both know that’s the only Church founded upon Peter is the Catholic Church!!! :P So why would he listen to your interpretation of scripture when it’s obviously wrong and God himself does not follow it. :P
2 Kings 2:11-12
Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father
KJV
2 Kings 6:21
And the king of Israel said unto Elisha, when he saw them, My father, shall I smite them? shall I smite them
KJV
Acts 7:2
2 And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran
KJV
Rom 9:10
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac
KJV
Why do Catholics refer to our religious leaders as father????????? Ask the apostle Paul… he spells it out for you :P
1 Cor 4:15
For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel
RSV
Mind you the words in the bible ARE INSPIRED BY GOD… who are you to doubt them????????? The only logical position then would be to accept ALL of scripture. Your interpretation CLEARLY rejects other verses of scripture which tell us that MEN ON EARTH (and yes all of these people referred to as father were MEN and were from EARTH (there’s actually a ton more verses like these if you like) are labeled as FATHERS by GOD himself in his inerrant Word…. The Catholic Interpretation of this verse understands the scripture you quoted as telling us not to bow down to men as our source of truth… ONLY God is our source of truth… We believe our Pope is inspired by God when he teaches “ex-cathedra” in the same way you believe your bible or (or even you) are inspired by God when you read your magical King James version :P I believe the Pope is my source of truth no more than you believe YOU are your source of truth… it is God who inspires and it is God who is our TRUE father… however… that form of hyperbole doesn’t mean that we actually can’t use the word father as it relates to speaking about a man who lives on earth…. BECAUSE THE BIBLE DOES IT ALL THE TIME AND EVEN HAS APOSTLES INSTRUCTING US THAT THEY ARE OUR SPIRITUAL FATHERS!!!! You may not like the Catholic interpretation but that is the only way to accept ALL of scripture… not just picking one verse out and throwing away all the others like you had done in your ignorant, uninformed, interpretation of scripture. Go tell the Apostle Paul he was wrong when he said he was our father… oh wait…. HE WAS INSPIRED BY GOD HIMSELF WHEN HE SAID IT!!! So go tell your protestant misrepresentations of scripture to God and he’ll tell you what you can do with it.
matt 6:7 - 14 = "but when you pray, use not vain repetions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking" the bible is calling your prayers "heathonous" = catholic church - not my words but Gods words... please explain that one to us
The word VAIN is key… not all repetitions are VAIN, some are for sure… but not all… that’s why GODS INSPIRED WORD has NO PROBLEM with repetitions….
First of all why did you stop reading????????? EVEN THE QUOTE YOU QUOTED GIVES US A STANDARDIZED PRAYER TO PRAY!!!!
Matt 6:7-13
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking……….
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
KJV
Hmmm………. Hey look its one of those prayers I pray all the time as a Catholic!!! And THE WORD OF GOD HIMSELF IS INSTRUCTING ME TO PRAY IT!!!!!!! So the use of a standardized prayer is obviously not wrong… (oh and by the way… the section of the prayer that goes… “For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.” Is actually an error in your precious King James “magic” bible… too bad, your magic King James is not match for the ancient Greek!!!!!! And your betting your soul on this bible?????)
"The doxology at the end of the Our Father, "For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, forever. Amen," although found in almost all the late Greek mss., is not found in any early Greek mss. And is certainly not part of the original text. It is a liturgical addition." (Encyclopedic Dictionary of The Bible, copyright 1963, Luuis F. Hartman, p1687)
"The doxology, though missing in the older and best manuscripts of Matthew and not original to the Lord’s Prayer, is a fitting conclusion to the prayer." (Harper’s Bible Dictionary, Paul J. Achtemeier, Copyright 1985, p.576
"The doxology that concludes the prayer (Matt.6:13b, AV) is omitted in RSV, because it does not appear in the oldest and best MSS.; it seems not to have been an original part of the prayer, but represents a liturgical addition." (The New Westminster Dictionary of the Bible, Henry Snyder Gehman, Copyright 1965,p.567)
"Study of the Greek manuscripts shows that the doxology that appears at the end of the Matthean form in some translations is not original."(Holman Bible Dictionary, Trent C. Butler, Copyright 1991, p.893)
"The doxology in Matthew, which constitues and affirmation of faith, is lacking in the lending MSS and is generally regarded as a scribal addition derived from ancient liturgical usage." (The Zondervan Pictorial Bible Dictionary, Merrill C. Tenney Copyright 1967,p.491)
But moving back to our topic of VAIN repititions….
EVEN IN HEAVEN ITSELF!!!!! Creatures are repeating their prayers over and over and over… but is it vain??????????
Rev 4:8
8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
KJV
So are you saying there are sinners in heaven????????????
Rev 21:27
7 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
KJV
AGAIN HERE GOD IS VOUCHING FOR REPITITIOUS PRAYER IN THAT HE IS ALLOWING THOSE WHICH DO SUCH A THING INTO HEAVEN ITSELF!!!!! AND WHILE THEY ARE IN HEAVEN THEY DO THIS ENDLESSLY!!!!!!! Perhaps you should go tell God himself he is interpreting scripture wrong because you read it in your magic king james and think you know better than Christ????
Or how about in the Psalms which is meant to be prayed/sung by Jews as (which because it’s in the bible is OBVIOUSLY inspired by God…. Would you say this is reppititious???)
Ps 136
Psalms 136
136:1 O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.
3 O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever.
4 To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever.
5 To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
6 To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever.
7 To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever:
8 The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever:
9 The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever.
10 To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever:
11 And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever:
12 With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for his mercy endureth for ever.
13 To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever:
14 And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for his mercy endureth for ever:
15 But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever.
16 To him which led his people through the wilderness: for his mercy endureth for ever.
17 To him which smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:
18 And slew famous kings: for his mercy endureth for ever:
19 Sihon king of the Amorites: for his mercy endureth for ever:
20 And Og the king of Bashan: for his mercy endureth for ever:
21 And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever:
22 Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for his mercy endureth for ever.
23 Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever:
24 And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever.
25 Who giveth food to all flesh: for his mercy endureth for ever.
26 O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.
KJV
Go tell God he screwed up and shouldn’t have been inspiring people to write down repetitious prayers… all those “mercy endureth for ever’s” are SATANIC!!!!!
YOU GOT IT RIGHT!!!!! ONLY A CATHOLIC WOULD DARE TO USE A REPITITIOUS PRAYER!!!!! I GUESS THEN JESUS CHRIST SON OF GOD MUST BE CATHOLIC!!!!!!
Matt 26:44
44 And he left them, and went away again, and prayed the THIRD TIME, saying the SAME WORDS.
KJV
A Catholic would have no problem with Jesus praying the same prayer over and over because although it’s a repetition it’s not a VAIN repetition… but a protestant would have a problem with the actions of the man they claim to be their God…. THAT’S BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT IN THE SAME CHURCH THAT JESUS IS IN!!!!!! PERIOD, POINT, BLANK
acts 29 - 31 = 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.(wow, ever been in a catholic church? what do you see... it is not biblical)
The Catholic Church SPECIFICALLY TEACHES that God is NOT any substance or graven image or Idol or anything like that. Statues and such are only REPRESENTATIONS and SYMBOLS of what lies in heaven, the marble itself is not worshiped… but what the marble represents… do you have a problem with gold silver and stone pieces of art work?????? (as long as that physical object isn’t specifically worshiped a Catholic wouldn’t… why??? Because the BIBLE ITSELF instructs humans to make such things!!!!!!) So you have a problem with it??? Go tell it to God that he’s in the wrong religion.. he should stop ordering people to do Catholic things :P and start reading your “magic” King James version of the bible :P
Ex 25:18
18 AND THOU SHALT MAKE TWO CHERUBIMS OF GOLD, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.
KJV
Ex 26:1
Exodus 26
26:1 Moreover THOU SHALT MAKE the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work SHALT THOU MAKE THEM.
KJV
Num 21:8-9
8 And the LORD said unto Moses, MAKE THEE a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
9 AND MOSES MADE A SERPENT OF BRASS, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
KJV
1 Kings 6:23-29
23 And within the oracle he MADE two cherubims of olive tree, each ten cubits high.
24 And five cubits was the one wing of the cherub, and five cubits the other wing of the cherub: from the uttermost part of the one wing unto the uttermost part of the other were ten cubits.
25 And the other cherub was ten cubits: both the cherubims were of one measure and one size.
26 The height of the one cherub was ten cubits, and so was it of the other cherub.
27 And he set the cherubims within the inner house: and they stretched forth the wings of the cherubims, so that the wing of the one touched the one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall; and their wings touched one another in the midst of the house.
28 And he overlaid the cherubims with GOLD.
29 And he carved all the walls of the house round about with CARVED FIGURES of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, within and without.
KJV
1 Kings 7:25
25 It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east
KJV
1 Kings 7:36
36 For on the plates of the ledges thereof, and on the borders thereof, he graved cherubims, lions, and palm trees, according to the proportion of every one, and additions round about.
KJV
Bla Bla Bla… you get the idea MAKING AN IMAGE OF SOMETHING IN HEAVEN LIKE Cerubims (angels) OR ON EARTH (serpents,lions, palm trees, oxen) are NOT sins… ONLY WORSHIPING THEM IS A SIN!!!!! So don’t twist the bible to your own destruction or else you might find yourself attacking the commandments of God himself… because he DID command humans to make these things!!!!! But I guess your interpretation of your “magic” king james Is superior to the commandments of God himself???
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent this was to the greeks, they had no concept judgment, they worshiped many gods(catholics it would be saints)
Catholcs worship NO SAINTS… it’s is expressly FORBIDDEN to worship anyone but God… the word pray comes from the old English word which means to ASK so we do ASK things of people who are not God just as I might ASK you to pray for me… for example in the hail mary… a Catholic NEVER worships Mary… if you listen to the words of the prayer we are only ASKING her to pray for us… and why ask people like Moses or Mary or the Apostles or your Pastor or anyone else we perceive to be “right with God” to pray for us???
James 5:16
6 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much
KJV
So it’s ok and even encouraged for us to ask others to pray for us… particularly those we perceive to be most righteous (like apostles, mary, etc.) because their prayers are more powerful than anything I can muster. So if you want to attack the Catholic teaching of asking those in heaven or on earth to pray for us then attack exactly that… don’t misrepresent what we do when you have no idea what you are talking about….
paul didnt hold any truth back from them)
31 because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
(only one man was appointed this job - it was Jesus not the pope - unless he was appointed from a dif dark side? and is just claiming to have those powers...humm more to come on that)
What are you talking about??? Do you believe in big foot also???? How about the easter bunny??? I could look at that verse and be like yeah… it says here only jesus was appointed to judge the living and the dead… Not your pastor!!!! Unless he was appointed from the dark sideYou or I never made any claim that our spiritual leaders Judge the living and the dead…. We both know only God does that so you sound pretty ridiculous.
james 1:26 - mans religion is in vain - man being from a man made system of traditions. not of traditions of preaching of the gospel or the good word –
You are a man following your own religion assuming you are inspired by God. I am a man following Gods religion in that I'm taking Gods word for it that our Pope is inspired by God..... Obviously my contention is that the Catholic Church DOES teach the Gospel and “traditions” which are part of Gods Word… it’s your job to try to show me where the Church’s teachings conflict with scripture… so far you are failing miserably… You show me one verse (and interpret it incorrectly) I show you TEN… that illuminate the fact that your interpretation of the first verse you gave me was INCORRECT… that seems to be the trend. I looks to me like you don’t have a Problem with the teachings of the Catholic Church… you have a problem dealing with the plain words of scripture when it comes to trying to make your false interpretations stand up to the endless verses in the bible I have listed to correct you and your laughable interpretations…..
does the catholic church preach or do they do a eurcherest? is eurcherest in the bible?
Umm YES!!!!!!
John 6:31-64
31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
35 AND JESUS SAID UNTO THEM, I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst…….
41 THE JEWS MUMURED AT HIM, BECAUSE HE SAID, I AM THE BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN………………
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 THIS IS THE BREAD WHICH COMETH DOWN FROM HEAVEN, THAT A MAN MAY EAT THEREOF, AND NOT DIE.
51 I AM THE LIVING BREAD WHICH CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN: IF ANY MAN EAT OF THIS BREAD, HE SHALL LIVE FOREVER AND THE BREAD THAT I WILL GIVE IS MY FLESH, WHICH I WILL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD.
52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, HOW CAN THIS MAN GIVE US HIS FLESH TO EAT?
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, EXCEPT YE EAT THE FLESH OF THE SON OF MAN, AND DRINK HIS BLOOD, YE HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU.
54 WHOSO EATETH MY FLESH, AND DRINKETH MY BLOOD, HATH ETERNAL LIFE; AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY.
55 FOR MY FLESH IS MEAT INDEED, AND MY BLOOD IS DRINK INDEED.
56 HE THAT EATETH MY FLESH, AND DRINKETH MY BLOOD, DWELLETH IN ME, AND I IN HIM.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: HE THAT EATETH THIS BREAD SHALL LIVE FOREVER…….
60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, THIS IS A HARD SAYING; WHO CAN HEAR IT?
61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?......
64 BUT THERE ARE SOME OF YOU THAT BELIEVE NOT. FOR JESUS NEW FROM THE BEGGINING WHO THEY WERE THAT BELIEVED NOT, AND WHO SHOULD BETRAY HIM.
KJV
Luke 22:19-21
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: THIS DO IN REMEMBERANCE OF ME.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
KJV
"And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of
bread and the prayers." (Acts 2:42, RSV)
Matt 26:26-28
26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
KJV
Mark 14:22-24
22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
KJV
1 Cor 11:25-30
25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
27 WHOEVER, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord IN AN UNWORTHY MANNER WILL BE GUILTY OF PROFAINING THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 FOR ANYONE WHO EATS AND DRINKS WITHOUT DISCERNING THE BODY EATS AND DRINKS JUDGEMENT UPON HIMSELF. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, AND SOME HAVE DIED.
RSV
So go ahead and doubt, don't discern the body… the bible says you are eating and drinking Judgement upon yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What’s the matter???? Jesus proclaims OVER AND OVER that you must eat and drink his flesh and blood and you still doubt???????? Don’t you believe in miracles???????? The Jews and Judas didn’t belive, I guess neither do protestants… But the Catholic Church believes the words of Christ and takes them at face value… because we have faith in the Words of God.
geneflexing?
So what do you have a problem with here? The specific position??? Is that condemned in the bible to put one knee down???? Or do you have a problem with putting your body into various positions in order to show respect and reverence to Christ??? If that’s the Case ARGUE WITH THE WORD OF GOD
Is it right to bow before images and statues of Mother Mary and the Saints? Let’s see
what Sacred Scriptures has for us.
“ … And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and worshipped, and said to him,
“What does my lord bid his servant?”” (Joshua 5:14, RSV)
Joshua bowed down and honoured an angel of God, but committed no sin in doing so.
(29)
“The two angels came to Sodom in the evening; and Lot was sitting in the gate of
Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them, and bowed himself with his
face to the earth.” (Genesis 19:1, RSV)
Lot the nephew of Abraham bowed down before two angels of the Lord, but he was not
worshipping them as a god.
“Afterward David also arose, and went out of the cave, and called after Saul, “My
lord the king!” And when Saul looked behind him, David bowed with his face to
the earth and did obeisance.” (1 Samuel 24:8, RSV)
David, the servant of the LORD, bowed down and did obeisance before king Saul, but he
was not sinning against God’s commandment.
“Then she fell on her face, bowing to the ground, and said to him, “Why have I
found favour in your eyes, that you should take notice of me, when I am a
foreigner?”” (Ruth 2:10, RSV)
Ruth bowed down to the ground before Boaz in gratitude, but she was not worshipping
him.
“She came and fell at his feet, bowing to the ground; then she took up her son and
went out.” (2 Kings 4:37, RSV)
The Shunammite woman bowed down before the prophet Elisha after he had raised her
child from the dead, but she was not committing idolatry.
“Bathsheba bowed and did obeisance to the king, and the king said, “What do you
desire?” (1 Kings 1:16, RSV)
Bathsheba was blameless when she bowed down in honour of king David, while he was
on his deathbed.
“And when he came in before the king, he bowed before the king, with his face to
the ground.” (1 Kings 1: 23 ff, RSV)
Again, the prophet Nathan was likewise not committing idolatry when he also bowed
down to king David at his deathbed.
“He himself went on before them, bowing himself to the ground seven times, until he
came near his brother.” (Genesis 33:3, RSV)
Kneeling as part of worship in Sacred Scripture
"Now as Solomon finished offering all this prayer and supplication to the LORD,
he arose from before the altar of the LORD, where he had knelt with hands
outstretched toward heaven" (1 Kings 8:54, RSV)
"Then [Solomon] knelt upon his knees in the presence of all the assembly of
Israel, and spread forth his hands toward heaven" (2 Chronicles 6:13, RSV)
"And when they came to the crowd, a man came up to him and kneeling before
him said, 'Lord, have mercy on my son...'" (Matthew 17:14-15, RSV)
"But when Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, 'Depart from
me, for I am a sinful man, O Lord.'" (Luke 5:8, RSV)
"for it is written, 'As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every
tongue shall
give praise to God.'" (Romans 14:11, RSV)
"at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under
the earth"
(Philippians 2:10, RSV)
"And whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to him who
is seated on the throne, who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall
down before him who is seated on the throne and worship him who lives for ever
and ever" (Revelations 4:9-10, RSV)
Incense as part of worship in Sacred Scripture
"and going into the house they saw the child with Mary his mother, and they fell
down and worshiped him. Then, opening their treasures, they offered him gifts,
gold and frankincense and myrrh." (Matthew 2:11, RSV)
"And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four
elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full
of incense, which are the prayers of the saints" (Revelations 5:8, RSV)
"And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was
given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden
altar before the throne; and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the
saints from the hand of the angel before God." (Revelations 8:3-4, RSV)
So sorry about that, but kneeling, bowing… prostrating, falling before God… yeah It’s all BIBLICAL so go cut those verses out of your bible because they don’t agree with your magical interpretation of your magical King James version. If you can’t even get this stuff right how do you know you’re right about how to save your soul??????????
calling a man father? lol... that is easy to figure out
Already deal with that above (brilliantly if I might add)
judges 17 shows the troubles of priests and of graven images...
Already dealt with that above bla bla bla..... oh and by the way... so far NONE of the verses you've ever shown me was something I hadn't heard of... I knew the responce even before you knew of the attack... kind of makes you look like you haven't studied your bible all that much huh??? :P Yeah it's pretty hard to argue with 2,000 years of the all the greatest christian minds and experts that ever lived... because that's the position I'm backing up.. not to mention the one JESUS backs up and claims whatever our leaders bind on earth he binds in heaven.... keep attacking though... soon you'll see how hopeless it is to attack Gods Church... You'll only find yourself in the position of attacking God himself (as you found yourself doing here time and time again) :P
http://etext.virginia.edu/kjv.browse.html
good luck and good reading (lol) your
