anyway, what I see in the video is just pure comedy
the rambelings of an extremist who's views only are attractive to other extremists
every race has a small percentage but it's not the pulse of the black race as a whole
anyway, what I see in the video is just pure comedy
the rambelings of an extremist who's views only are attractive to other extremists
every race has a small percentage but it's not the pulse of the black race as a whole
I am sure bigsexy did not post this video to have a race war on this site...but some want to make it into one......sad
1 gene for all differences related to race? For skin pigment, hair density, diet, or immune response to certain diseases? Adaptations to better suit the condtions of the land that race spent the largest portion of their history inhabiting? Ethnic facial features, statistic differences in height, and others.
I think your study of genetics and evoloution needs revision.
yes and no buff, fragments of the industrilized world was going to make it to Africa one way or another. For example, you have people hundreds of years behind the western world in technological and societal advancement...all of a sudden a shipment of guns shows up.
American Indians were doing pretty well before white people showed up. The expanding population of the world wasn't going to leave a large fertile land mass as big as the US untouched forever. They had wars and problems of their own, but lacked the technology to allow their human nature to create true destruction.
My friend my apologies if I have offended you... I suppose viewing his speech of hate made my blood boil for a minute, which may have been evident in my post, for that I apologize.
In response to your first issue, I really don't want to write a long dissertation here so I'll be frank: I'm not asking black people to "thank" white people for bringing them here (albeit afrikans THEMSELVES among warring tribes would assists the spanish, portuguese, and english slave traders!!), but I am asking all black people to PLEASE recognize the deplorable situation in Afrika and realize, DESPITE the circumstances by which their ancestors were brought here, that being in this nation, to ALL of us , white black spanish and asian, ALL must be thankful, because we COULD have ended up somewhere else, and not in this great nation.
and as for the whole blame afrikas misfortune on colonialism argument, Ivve heard that a thousand times and it dosent hold any water with me whatsoever... Colonialism has been over and done with for over a half a century now in Afrika and the continent still lies in ruins. God, you could trace back Europes catastropies for ages, since the Roman empire's imperial dominance, the black plague, insane, oppressive Kings and Queens during the late-middle ages, Napoleon's megomania during the late 19th century, world war I, AND WORLD WAR 2... All these resulting in hundreds of millions of deaths. Yet Europe still holds one of the worlds strongest economies, highest HDI index, and smartest thinkers the worlds ever known (and HAS known, need I mention them)?
Self-determination. Easy to blame others for your misfortunes but difficult to remedy the situation. Other countries have, why not Afrika? I'd be open to hear some sort of suggestions.. I believe it begins with Education and ousting corrupt dictators and dishonest and self-serving politicians and heads of state.
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Last edited by Panzerfaust80; 02-20-2009 at 02:58 PM.
ya you dont have to defend you self... the good thing about america is you can be racist(i dont think you are... i believe you are talking about your own expereneces) if you want and that needs to be respected - it is if one acts on it in a deflamitory way... and to buffed guy - it is very easy to pic apart someones speach when they are writing it out on the web, then point out their comments that could have been worded better...
i will go on record as saying i have every reason to be prejudice or racist... i was the only white kid in a black neighbor hood - black kids beat me up every day of my life(till i could out run them...) when i got older every time (happened 3x) my car got broken in to it was a black person.... when i had a business in the city i was robbed 6 or 8 times (that was just me...) and it was always black people who robbed me (a few were even nice enough to stick a barrel of a gun to the back of my throat, three other guys were nice enough to run me over with their car...) so on and so on... (how could i for get this one 40k ++ dollars spent rebuilding my upper jaw and nasel passages and teeth, from a three guys that thought it would be funny to smash my face in with a steal pipe... needless to say, i got the worst of it but i did stay conscious enough to shatter one guys arm(5 breaks) the other got knocked out with the pipe his friend hit me with, and the third guy (we never found - lol - was last seen being dragged down an alley never to be seen again) ... i wish him luck now - lol)
so the question do i have a right to be fearful of black people? specifically 16 - 30 year old males (the ones that were always harming me and my family?) ??? or should i just forgive and for get?
... i chose to forgive and for get... see, i understand after years of pain and anguish it was not the persons skin that caused this wrong social behavior it was the way they were raised... white, black, mixed, yellow, or what ever skin color - it didnt make a diff
back to j-bigguns : bro i believe what you are saying is that your not a racist your just talking about your personal experence
no diff than buffed you are expressing you self as a person who is not a bigot or a extremist muslim you are just expressing you self from you view point... and though i do not alway agree with it i am not (generally) point out all you mistakes, or mistaken view points...
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Last edited by amcon; 02-20-2009 at 04:25 PM.
you explained that very well arcom....great job...it is about life experiences...you can not get that out of a book.....or read about it on the net...you have to live it.....
thanks bro... and tell every one were friends(even share wives) and your black right? tell them
or at least hung like you are black.... and i still love you
Much appreciated. Thank you for your good manners.
This argument can be dealt with in two ways that I can think of. First, you will always find lackeys in any race, who will do anything for money; just pay enough, and you will find those willing to sell out their race, their people, or even their own mothers if the price is right. Second, I acknowledge that the colonialists did not invent slavery; but they racialized it, and I think that is one of the most odious aspects of it all.albeit afrikans THEMSELVES among warring tribes would assists the spanish, portuguese, and english slave traders!!
Having said that, I do not think it behooves anyone to lay the blame on one race or the other. This is not a soccer game between blacks and whites. My point is not to lay the blame on the whites, because those specific white people have died and their deeds with them; God will deal with them, and nobody alive today will be held to account for that.
My *only* purpose was to disprove any possible racist idea that blacks are inferior in any way. I am not trying to dole out blame, as that serves no purpose; I am simply trying to explain why a people could be down and out.
I think all blacks understand that Africa is in a troubling state. Nobody really disputes that. But my question is: so what? What are you trying to imply with that? That somehow blacks are to understand that the state of Africa is somehow correlated with the inferiority of blacks?but I am asking all black people to PLEASE recognize the deplorable situation in Afrika and realize,
Look: there are only two possibilities here. Either the "deplorable condition" of Africa is intrinsic/innate or extrinsic/environmental. I am arguing for the latter, and I think it is racist to argue the former.
I think that we should all be grateful to God alone for blessing us by being amongst the top 15% of the world in regards to wealth. But I think that your post sort of insinuates that we should be thankful to the white man for being born in his country. Forgive me if this is not what you meant, but it certainly seems that way.DESPITE the circumstances by which their ancestors were brought here, that being in this nation, to ALL of us , white black spanish and asian, ALL must be thankful, because we COULD have ended up somewhere else, and not in this great nation.
Africa was subjected to colonialism for hundreds of years, and you think that all the problems should be solved within a mere 50 years time (which is not even one generation)? The colonialists devastated the African economies for hundreds of years, and then suddenly within LESS than one generation, everything is supposed to be ok? I don't think so. The student of history cannot help but think that this is unrealistic. It takes a few generations for a people to change their condition. We can just look back in history to prove this.and as for the whole blame afrikas misfortune on colonialism argument, Ivve heard that a thousand times and it dosent hold any water with me whatsoever... Colonialism has been over and done with for over a half a century now in Afrika and the continent still lies in ruins.
I don't get what you mean at all. Yes, Europe/America has the highest standard of living today, but it certainly did *not* have the highest standard of living "since Rome's imperial dominance." Certainly you don't think that, do you?you could trace back Europes catastropies for ages, since the Roman empire's imperial dominance, the black plague, insane, oppressive Kings and Queens during the late-middle ages, Napoleon's megomania during the late 19th century, world war I, AND WORLD WAR 2... All these resulting in hundreds of millions of deaths. Yet Europe still holds one of the worlds strongest economies, highest HDI index, and smartest thinkers the worlds ever known (and HAS known, need I mention them)?
Believe it or not, but there was a time in history when the Western Europeans were seen by the rest of the world as "barbarians", much like the Western Europeans see parts of the world as "barbarous" today. You mentioned the Dark Ages; I am not understanding why you mentioned that, because that disproves your entire thesis. Why can't you understand that like Europe went through the Dark Ages, similarly other parts of the world are going through their Dark Ages now? These things are cyclical. Europe/America have only been decisively on top of the rest of the world for the last 400 or so years. I think that people fail to realize that the Mongols (from Asia) almost swallowed up all of Europe in the 1200s, and the Ottomans were knocking on Vienna's door in the 1600s. From 1000-1200 A.D., the Middle East (the countries that today are easily dominated by the West) vanquished Western Europe in the Crusades, victory upon victory. Similarly, there was a time in which Africa was more "powerful" than Europe, in which there were great African kingdoms.
When you study history, you realize that these things are cyclical; today, "the white man" is in power, but tomorrow that will change. Every 500-1,000 years, these things change. So it would be foolhardy to think too much of the current situation and draw amazing conclusions based on that, just like it would have been foolhardy for people of the past to have judged the white man as inferior back when Europe was considered a "backwater continent."
Africa is not a country. It is an entire continent. On it, there are people of different ethnic backgrounds, who are not at all homogeneous in any way. Some parts are better developed than others.Other countries have, why not Afrika?
Yes, and where did all these things come from? After being colonized for hundreds of years, you can't just jump ship and think that everything will be working like clockwork tomorrow. It's a bit like if a person uses T3 for many years; will his thyroid axis immediately go back to normal the moment the T3 is removed? No. It will take a LONG time to recover.I'd be open to hear some sort of suggestions.. I believe it begins with Education and ousting corrupt dictators and dishonest and self-serving politicians and heads of state.
Again, it's only been about one generation since Africa has truly been free. Wherever and whenever colonialists "jump ship", you will find that a power vacuum is created and warlords, tyrants, etc. come to fill the void, which further prevents recovery. Furthermore, the colonialists purposefully drew imaginary boundaries, dividing up countries SPECIFICALLY with the intention that it would cause them to fight for decades to come. For example, Iraq was created just perfectly so it could counter and check Iran, and to do that, they grouped together three completely disparate groups. That is a formula for disaster: war with their neighbor as well as civil war. Similar things were done in Africa.
There is no reason to dole out blame to one race or the other. Each human being is accountable only for its own deeds. But this is about understanding why other peoples are in the situation they are; absence of this knowledge can invariably lead to racism and arrogance.
Take care.
Last edited by BuffedGuy; 02-20-2009 at 05:01 PM.
^^^when you relate everything to the study and not to life experience then you come up with a page of that...b/s
I for one thought it was a very good post buffy
I definately applaud you my friend, you seem to be quite the debater, and I would love to continue on this discussion further, however, in lieu of just consuming a few beers (I have a real low tolerance bc I never drink, cept fridays here and there) Im feeling a bit unsure of my keyboarding skills as of now...
so with that, my friend, we shall continue this debate at a later time... cuz I got bunch of great rebuttals for all of your rebuttals =)
anyway take care my friend and remember, future changes begin with our youngest generations, applying the use of knowledge and diplomacy over arms and aggression.
PS: I realize Afrika is a continent, but I was generalizing all the countries as a whole within africa. Keep in mind, western, central, and eastern europe is anything but homogenous as well, and look at the turmoil, war, and almost complete destruction they've experienced within the last 200 years? Yet they still manage to rebuild, remodel governments, profile food, adequate shelter and jobs to all their populations, something that, dissappointingly enough, I cannt say the same for afrika.
Last edited by Panzerfaust80; 02-20-2009 at 05:25 PM.
So because white people are the reason why we (blacks) are here in the first place we should be thankful? I've heard this ridiculous argument too many times to let go! So I'll ask you this one question: Should the Jews be thankful of Hitler because the holocaust brought about the creation of the Jewish state?
funny cause i saw jermane a few years back working in a fast food place... i was in drive thru ... parked the car went in and said "bro remember me?" he said yes and i asked him if he thought i had any pay back to give him? he said maybe and i shook his hand said he was forgiven and asked him if he knew God? he said his mom did and i told him i would see him later... never ate the food.
lol never saw him again either...
good i hope you would say that, and your wrong btw - imo - i have a right cause it is my life experence that dictates my choices... however, i choose to forgive
can you for give the jews or zionists ? would you also call you self a bigot?
place the same judgments on your self as you expect from others ...
with love and wisdom bro
bro that is rediculous!!! here is the answer should i hate all black people? should i?
or should i forgive and forget? and stop blaming other for something that you & me had NO control of???? if any one has the right to cry about any of the tragities that happened in this world it would distract from moving forward ...
so what is the answer? do i have the right to place blame on all black people?
No its not the same buddy because their living conditions were just as good (if not better) in Deutschland prior to the take over of the NSDAP. Israel was established so the Jewish people would have a permanent home (which a hotly debated to this date) instead of residing in western, central, or eastern europe. Regardless where they would've ended up or which course history may have taken if the state of Israel wasn't established. But one things for sure, Europe wouldve been rebuild just as it was over 60 years ago.
Eventually a contenent must stop "blaming" other countries for their coniditions. Afrika has a wealth of natural resources that need to be milled, mined, drilled, extracted, etc etc and have the "state-owned" funds drawn from these resources PUMPED BACK INTO the state for infrastrcuture, railways, water treatment plants, court houses, etc etc..Instead of be diverted to the pokcets of extremeists and warlords........ but before any of this happens, the greatest change of all must occur. The way in which people think.![]()
Awwww man that wouldve probably been a tasty burger, oozing with his "special sauce" over the sides of it....
I wouldve sealed it and sent for testing at a lab then sue the f%#$ outta his shyttty co he works for. Then with that money id slap a civil suit on him, claiming you actually "ingested" some of his creamy semen he maliciously ejaculated onto your burger, of which has emotionally damaged you for life and has caused you to now have "semenphobia".
... Wait, I think im taking this a little too far..... so![]()
I think you are talking from two sides of your mouth. Nobody here (not BgMc nor I) is crying about anything. Rather, some of you here made the allegation (or at least the insinuation) that blacks are inferior by mentioning the "deplorable condition" of Africa today. We simply countered this by saying that Africa is in this condition due in large part to colonization.
It is like if two athletes are running a marathon...one of them breaks the legs of the other, and then starts laughing at him saying: "You can't run worth crap!" So the one who got his legs broken reminds him: "uhh, the only reason why I can't run as fast as you is because you broke my legs." Then the first athlete responds by saying "stop whining about the past, as it will prevent you from fixing your condition." However, who said that the athlete with the broken legs isn't trying to rehabilitate his legs? He only mentioned the fact that his legs were broken because the first athlete is mocking him, not because he thinks it will help to fix his legs.
Argh, never mind.
your ananlogy is poor at best... and you again and again you put words in peoples mouth... i didnt read anything were people said blacks (very genneral) were a lower class person...???? where does this come from?
bro you know, as i have said many times i respect you however i dont share you expressions or beliefs, your very antagonistic -
if i didnt know better i would say that you are are reqruiting people for you cause... that makes you a politician, buffed relax and remember EVERY ONE HAS A RIGHT TO THEIR OWN OPINION - that includes black panthers or the kkk, or al-quadi and americans ... and you or i may not like the opinions because they clash against our morals and values - but we should try to me meek and humble too them... i fail at this as well
peace bro
Cmon were all distinguished Ladies in here and should behave as such...
Please let us stop the bickering and move on to a more interesting topic, like what a Panzerfaust is... here is a great pic of a few brave German Wehrmacht soldiers holding "Panzerfausts", meaning "Tank Fist".. kinda like an early beta-version of today's RPG's.
and other...
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