First Cycle EVER, please advise.

[johnnybravo1180]

Hey guys,
I already started my first cycle and I was thinking about adding dbol. So far its looking like this.

AndroTest 250 (Multi Test) : 500mg/wk
Equipoise : 600mg/wk

and now I want to throw in some Dbol at about 50mg/day.

I am on my 5th week without the Dbol, just the test and equipoise, and I am feeling a super strength difference, but the size is slow to come. Any advise?

Jbeezy
6'3"
244lbs
17"arms
17.5"neck
38"waist

[CHUCKYthentic]

age?
bodyfat%?

[RangersLTW]

to much for a first cycle from what I understand

[T-MOS]

age????

[RangersLTW]

from what you wrote your bf% is to high

[johnnybravo1180]

28 yrs old, about 19% bodyfat, I have a belly, but its not huge.

[T-MOS]

how long are you planning to run this cycle?

what is your PCT protocol for this cycle?

[FireGuy]

Whether you are 18 or 58 I would not add a third compound into the mix of a first cycle, then again I would not have added the second one either.

[johnnybravo1180]

Running this whole cycle about 10 weeks, and the Dbol the last 5. not sure what a PCT is.

[johnnybravo1180]

You wouldn't add a third because its a bad combonation, or too much?

[T-MOS]

not knowing PCT is a HUGE mistake

as it is the most important part of any cycle unless you like the idea of man boobies and no more erections

I suggest you spend a lot of time in the PCT section here and get it before your cycle is even close to being over

[CHUCKYthentic]

Running this whole cycle about 10 weeks, and the Dbol the last 5. not sure what a PCT is.

(sigh)

[T-MOS]

this is NOT a game, this is your one and only LIFE

you need to know what you are doing BEFORE you start a cycle that can effect the REST of your life !!!


you need to know how your body reacts to ONE compound at a time so you know what is doing what to your body

[T-MOS]

dbol, is used at the beginning of a cycle NOT the end!!!!!!!!

[johnnybravo1180]

Ahh, Post cycle, well I do have Nolva, but nothing else.

[FireGuy]

You wouldn't add a third because its a bad combonation, or too much?

Both, its too much and is usually preferred at the beginning of a cycle not the end.

[johnnybravo1180]

Hey, If you are giving advise thanks, but could you leave the critiscm out of it T-MOS, I know its not a game, I could get yelled at by my mother, I came here for advice.

[johnnybravo1180]

Thanks FireGuy1, I appreciate the advise, I think I will subside on the Dbol until the next cycle, and back down the Test, and EQ to about 300mg, and 400mg a week. I'm already half way through.

[RangersLTW]

critiscm is good in some cases......you are just NOT sticking to the basics and it gets under ppl skin when there is so much information on here and ppl to ask

[RangersLTW]

no need to back down now that will lower your levels if I am correct

[FireGuy]

Hey, If you are giving advise thanks, but could you leave the critiscm out of it T-MOS, I know its not a game, I could get yelled at by my mother, I came here for advice.

T-Mos is one of the most knowledgable and most helpful members you will find on here. The fact is you are in the middle a poorly designed cycle and should have asked questions prior to starting. Guess you subscribe to the easier to ask for forgiveness than permission motto.

[johnnybravo1180]

Thanks Ranger, yeah I am just trying to keep it simple. I just figured this would be the place to post questions, and not get reamed. It's much easier to get specific questions answered directly, instead of reading and interpreting the information wrong.

[FireGuy]

Thanks FireGuy1, I appreciate the advise, I think I will subside on the Dbol until the next cycle, and back down the Test, and EQ to about 300mg, and 400mg a week. I'm already half way through.

Tapering it down is probably not the best thing either. You might as well just ride the dosages out now and do a very good PCT.

[johnnybravo1180]

FireGuy1, Just cause he is the "most knowledgeable" doesn't excuse him from being the most "A-hole". It seems like anytime new people ask questions on here, they just get talked down to instead of really helped out. It's people like him that don't help and make people wanna quit. I do appreciate your advice though, it is helpful, without the Ahole. Thanks Fireguy1

[RangersLTW]

I agree with your statement but a basic 500mg of test e a week is sufficent for the first cycle

[RangersLTW]

I understand your problem but how much asking did you do before you started

[johnnybravo1180]

I agree with your statement but a basic 500mg of test e a week is sufficent for the first cycle

I'll ride the cycle out and just leave the Dbol out, but honestly I have gotten rediculous strength increases, and NO side effects what so ever. I guess the only side effect is excessive mirror time.

[johnnybravo1180]

I understand your problem but how much asking did you do before you started

I actually asked alot, but to the people in my gym. After a while I just wanted a second opinion on it, skeptical of my buddies advice, so I found this forum.

[RangersLTW]

lol you need to be more cautious though.......go read the pct forums and post a pct plan so we can look at it

[RangersLTW]

ya those guys steered you wrong IMO but this forum is on point

[T-MOS]

Hey, If you are giving advise thanks, but could you leave the critiscm out of it T-MOS, I know its not a game, I could get yelled at by my mother, I came here for advice.

I could, but you will be just like the many that have come before you thinking they are bullet proof, and then come here after they screwed up and wanting to know how they can fix things.

I'm just trying to keep you healthy, but if you dont 'want my years of experience, i will leave this thread.

Good luck

[johnnybravo1180]

ya those guys steered you wrong IMO but this forum is on point

Well, I was looking at the PCT forum probably just as you were typing. I figured my cycle isn't that long OR complicated so I figured 5 weeks of Nolvadex, and Clomiphene would be enough, do you think I need more?

[johnnybravo1180]

I could, but you will be just like the many that have come before you thinking they are bullet proof, and then come here after they screwed up and wanting to know how they can fix things.

I'm just trying to keep you healthy, but if you dont 'want my years of experience, i will leave this thread.

Good luck

I appreciate you wanting to keep me healthy, with your many years of experience, just learn how to talk to people, and maybe people would be more appreciative of your advice. BTW, Thanks for assuming that I "will be just like the many that have come before me thinking they are bullet proof" considering, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME. Thanks for the luck ; )

[T-MOS]

Ahh, Post cycle, well I do have Nolva, but nothing else.

you are gonna want more than nolva for PCT
here, read this and see what you think?

remember we are here to help you do this the RIGHT way, and keep you healthy, if you choose to go your own way, that is YOUR choice !!

click:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196

[johnnybravo1180]

you are gonna want more than nolva for PCT
here, read this and see what you think?

remember we are here to help you do this the RIGHT way, and keep you healthy, if you choose to go your own way, that is YOUR choice !!

click:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=255196

TRUST ME, I do appreciate your advice, people already pointed me in the wrong direction, and I wanna get right, that's why I came here, and yes I would like your help specifically. Thanks.

[RangersLTW]

well nolva and clomid are what you need for pct but where is the ldex

[RangersLTW]

do you know what dosages to take of each substance

[johnnybravo1180]

well nolva and clomid are what you need for pct but where is the ldex

Hmm, I'm am going to keep following everyones advice in here and read more of the PCT threads to get a better idea, and post a better post cycle up here in a bit.

[RangersLTW]

that sounds like a good idea

[T-MOS]

PCT is MORE important than the actual cycle is !!!