my first cycle

[chechen_rebel]

greetings all
i started my cycle 3 weeks ago and i would appreciate any help or correction.

week 1-10 deca at 200mg per week
week 1-12 test e at 500mg per week
week 1-4 anadrol at 50mg per day

am running nolva throught out the cycle at 20mg per day.
gonna start the clomid after my last test shot by 3 weeks, starting with 300mg for the first day, the 100 mg and then drop down to 5omg on the third and last week.

am also using animal stak, so should i drop it or just keep on? am using it as it has dht blockers and lever support.

i forgot, am 32 years old, at 185 pounds,before the cycle i was stuck at 176 pounds, been training weight lifting for a year and a half, am a BJJ and wrestling practitioner.

any help, comment or correction would be greatly appreciated.
thanx all.

[Matt]

Theres so much wrong here, you've already started so good luck.. You do however need to rethink your pct..

[jimmyinkedup]

If you are running the deca srtictly for joint relief that dosage/duration is fine ...if you are looking for gains its too low/short imo. The nolva at 20mg/day on cycle is not necessary imo - unless you are very gyno prone. If you are looking to control estrogen an ai like armidex at a low dosage prob would be a better choice (say .25 eod or ed) Pct starts 2 weeks post test inject - so if u meant beginning of week 15 or end of week 14 thats fine. Pct id use nolva and clomid- not just clomid. Id do week 1 - clomid 100 and nolva 40 per day - weeks 2-4 clomid 50 and nolva 20 per day...
As far as animal stack - whatever i suppose ...dont have an opinion one way or another on that..

[D7M]

Theres so much wrong here, you've already started so good luck.. You do however need to rethink your pct..

what's so wrong? It's not *that* bad.

OP, you can up the dose on the deca, that's kinda low imo.

You don't necessarily need to run nolva throughout the cycle.

And, yah, the pct needs re-thinking. That's like that old school pct, too high clomid dose

[Matt]

what's so wrong? It's not *that* bad.

OP, you can up the dose on the deca, that's kinda low imo.

You don't necessarily need to run nolva throughout the cycle.

And, yah, the pct needs re-thinking. That's like that old school pct, too high clomid dose

Its his first cycle, should be test only...
Should have an ai on hand and not take nolva...
Pct is all wrong...
Any thing else..

[Chance_Baby]

bro this is your first cycle...Let me guess your friends told you to do this and you did zero research. i hope you get gyno

[Matt]

And instead of telling him he should run a test only cycle everyone is telling him to up his deca intake..

[D7M]

Its his first cycle, should be test only...
Should have an ai on hand and not take nolva...
Pct is all wrong...
Any thing else..

see, that's a much more constructive answer than "it's all wrong...good luck"

[jimmyinkedup]

And instead of telling him he should run a test only cycle everyone is telling him to up his deca intake..

um - isnt he 3 weeks in already???? water under the bridge ......
I feel i gave him good advice....

[Matt]

see, that's a much more constructive answer than "it's all wrong...good luck"

Ok lol point taken, ive had my ass kicked i shall go to the lounge, who's coming..

[D7M]

And instead of telling him he should run a test only cycle everyone is telling him to up his deca intake..

well, he's already 3 weeks in...

[D7M]

Ok lol point taken, ive had my ass kicked i shall go to the lounge, who's coming..

[Matt]

um - isnt he 3 weeks in already???? water under the bridge ......
Im feel i gave him good advice....

That is why i said in my first post, good luck with this because he had already started...
Blame derek he got me at it...

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ *L* matt - i enjoy your posts - they always seem to make me laugh (the blame derek post) - you have a good sense of humor....

[D7M]

Blame derek he got me at it...

Yah blame me for thinking we should give someone more constructive advice than "good luck"

pffft....

[Matt]

Yah blame me for thinking we should give someone more constructive advice than "good luck"

pffft....

Come on honey, take my hand we shall go to the lounge together...

[chechen_rebel]

bro this is your first cycle...Let me guess your friends told you to do this and you did zero research. i hope you get gyno

well bro.....ur guess is wrong.......i did research and the problem is that each topic i read had a different opinion, so depending on what i read i did this cycle.

i was shocked to read that u hoped i get gyno.....bro i wouldnt ever hope any one gets it or anything that would harm any person.

[lovex]

bro first cycle should be a simple test only cycle......
before starting your cycle ..U should have atleast pasted your cycle here....
anyway...make changes for PCT as Jimmy said ....
Read more about "gyno" in forum...if u feel any gyno symptoms appear take ardimex (0.25 everyother day)...
no need of running nova through out cycle

[chechen_rebel]

so i should drop the nolva and use the ardimex if any gyno symptoms appear.

another question:
should i drop the deca or bring the dose higher to 400mg per week?

and what should i change in the pct?

thank u all.

[jimmyinkedup]

^^^ i gave my opinion on all that in my first post....

[chechen_rebel]

^^^ i gave my opinion on all that in my first post....

thanx alot for the info....much appreciated.
i'll stick to what u said.
thanks again.

[gymnerd]

It does look like a fairly heavy first cycle. How that dose of Deca working for your joints? I was thinking of doing the same thing. Like everyone already said Adex during cycle. I thought Nolva and Deca was a no no?

[chechen_rebel]

about the joints....its pretty good....coz i have lots of injuries from my soccer days and from jiu jitsu....am feeling less pain and less soreness.
yeah no nolva throught out the cycle from what i understood.....just armidex at a low dosage if any symptoms appear....and the nolva+clomid pct goes after 2 weeks from the last test shot like this:
week 1:clomid 100 and nolva 40 per day
weeks 2-4:clomid 50 and nolva 20 per day

[lovex]

about the joints....its pretty good....coz i have lots of injuries from my soccer days and from jiu jitsu....am feeling less pain and less soreness.
yeah no nolva throught out the cycle from what i understood.....just armidex at a low dosage if any symptoms appear....and the nolva+clomid pct goes after 2 weeks from the last test shot like this:
week 1:clomid 100 and nolva 40 per day
weeks 2-4:clomid 50 and nolva 20 per day

read about "gyno"...otherwise how will u know symptoms.......

[chechen_rebel]

thanx for the concern lovex......i did read about it.

[RuhlFreak55]

dunno what you guys are smokin....cycle looks good to me...cept yea up the deca dose a bit....and the pct needs to start 1-2 weeks after...i fear 3 would be too long...

[chechen_rebel]

so should i up the deca to 400mg per week?
and,
should i stick to the pct i wrote after two weeks from my last shot?
or,
should i use the pct advised by jimmyinkedup?

[chechen_rebel]

so should i up the deca to 400mg per week?
and,
should i stick to the pct i wrote after two weeks from my last shot?
or,
should i use the pct advised by jimmyinkedup?

[T-MOS]

If you are running the deca srtictly for joint relief that dosage/duration is fine ...if you are looking for gains its too low/short imo. The nolva at 20mg/day on cycle is not necessary imo - unless you are very gyno prone. If you are looking to control estrogen an ai like armidex at a low dosage prob would be a better choice (say .25 eod or ed) Pct starts 2 weeks post test inject - so if u meant beginning of week 15 or end of week 14 thats fine. Pct id use nolva and clomid- not just clomid. Id do week 1 - clomid 100 and nolva 40 per day - weeks 2-4 clomid 50 and nolva 20 per day...
As far as animal stack - whatever i suppose ...dont have an opinion one way or another on that..

^^^ best advice in this thread !!


OP, what are your goals for this cycle?

How tall are you?

your goals determine how much you should run of the deca.


Don't mind Mad Matt, he was PMSing.....lolol

But in the future come here BEFORE you start any cycle !!!!

[chechen_rebel]

thank u T-MOS for ur help.
am 178 cm tall......that is 5.8 inches i think.
my goal is to get to 200 lbs to 205 lbs...am at 188 lbs now.
i dont know about the body fat....but comparing to the pics i saw on the net.....i guess am a little less than 20% around my belly.

[T-MOS]

thank u T-MOS for ur help.
am 178 cm tall......that is 5.8 inches i think.
my goal is to get to 200 lbs to 205 lbs...am at 188 lbs now.
i dont know about the body fat....but comparing to the pics i saw on the net.....i guess am a little less than 20% around my belly.

OK if your goal is to gain 20 lbs, then I would say UP the deca to 400 and make sure you are eating CLEAN as 20% is much higher then you should be while doing steroids.

you need to concentrate on trying to cut some of that fat down while you are gaining muscle and that won't be easy at your bodyfat.

GOOD LUCK !!

[chechen_rebel]

thanks for the advise T-MOS.