Stem cells legal

[spywizard]

obama "Yep, screw morality, the drug companies need to make better pills so i can live longer and make decisions for those that don't agree with me.."

[Flagg]

obama "Yep, screw morality, the drug companies need to make better pills so i can live longer and make decisions for those that don't agree with me.."

Yeah, not like Bush wasn't making decisions for the last 8 years that no1 agreed with.

This is A GOOD THING. How you can turn this into a attack on Obama is mind boggling. Let's forget the massive gains in Medical Science and just attack Barrack Obama instead.

[IM708]

Yeah, not like Bush wasn't making decisions for the last 8 years that no1 agreed with.

This is A GOOD THING. How you can turn this into a attack on Obama is mind boggling. Let's forget the massive gains in Medical Science and just attack Barrack Obama instead.

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[Kratos]

obama "Yep, screw morality, the drug companies need to make better pills so i can live longer and make decisions for those that don't agree with me.."

If your kid was dying and a cure was availible but it involved using an embryo to save her, what do you do?

For many americans like myself there is no moral conflict. Some religious groups don't think blood transfusions sould be given. Does their sense of morality outweight my right to live when I don't share their beliefs? Should we take blood out of the hospital fridges and leave it in the hands of God because that's what some think is right?

[BgMc31]

If your kid was dying and a cure was availible but it involved using an embryo to save her, what do you do?

For many americans like myself there is no moral conflict. Some religious groups don't think blood transfusions sould be given. Does their sense of morality outweight my right to live when I don't share their beliefs? Should we take blood out of the hospital fridges and leave it in the hands of God because that's what some think is right?

I would destroy the shit out of that embryo that was gonna be destroyed anyway and save my already existing daughter!!!

[Hoggage_54]

Just recently here in Canada, they learned to reprogram skin cells to act like embryonic cells.

"Toronto scientists have scored a major breakthrough in stem cell research, coming first in a worldwide race to find a safer way to make human skin cells act like embryonic stem cells."

http://www.thestar.com/article/595058

[BuffedGuy]

I would destroy the shit out of that embryo that was gonna be destroyed anyway and save my already existing daughter!!!

This is not a very strong argument. I would probably kill everyone on earth to preserve the life of my daughter...if that was the choice given to me.

I don't have a view yet on this issue yet since I have not investigated it, but I do think that there is a moral issue when you create life and then kill it in order to preserve someone else's life. Should we also run medical experiments on prisoners like Adolf Hitler did? After all, that would lead to great leaps in medical science.

But again, I'm not decided on this issue yet, since I do not know what is involved in the process. Just playing angel's advocate here. For me, the whole issue revolves around the issue of when the soul comes to be. I have to look into that based on my religious beliefs, and I have to look into what goes on in stem cell research from a scientific perspective.

[BgMc31]

This is not a very strong argument. I would probably kill everyone on earth to preserve the life of my daughter...if that was the choice given to me.

I don't have a view yet on this issue yet since I have not investigated it, but I do think that there is a moral issue when you create life and then kill it in order to preserve someone else's life. Should we also run medical experiments on prisoners like Adolf Hitler did? After all, that would lead to great leaps in medical science.

But again, I'm not decided on this issue yet, since I do not know what is involved in the process. Just playing angel's advocate here. For me, the whole issue revolves around the issue of when the soul comes to be. I have to look into that based on my religious beliefs, and I have to look into what goes on in stem cell research from a scientific perspective.

I wasn't trying to make an argument, I was answering his question. This debate represents two trains of thought and that is what do you consider life and what you don't. IMO, comparing stem cell research to experiments on people like Hitler, and the US Government has (ie Tuskegee experiments), it way off based. But I also don't consider those embryoes life. But that is just my opinion.

[BuffedGuy]

I wasn't trying to make an argument, I was answering his question. This debate represents two trains of thought and that is what do you consider life and what you don't. IMO, comparing stem cell research to experiments on people like Hitler, and the US Government has (ie Tuskegee experiments), it way off based. But I also do consider those embryoes life. But that is just my opinion.

Cool. I'm undecided myself, since I haven't looked into the matter. I'm just saying that we shouldn't berate the other side for simply having a view. I don't think it's an obvious answer. It's something that will require deep contemplation and soul-searching, no pun intended.

[MuscleScience]

Cool. I'm undecided myself, since I haven't looked into the matter. I'm just saying that we shouldn't berate the other side for simply having a view. I don't think it's an obvious answer. It's something that will require deep contemplation and soul-searching, no pun intended.

The Chinese Dont seem to have a morale dilemma about it. They are years ahead on this type of research.

[Flagg]

This is not a very strong argument. I would probably kill everyone on earth to preserve the life of my daughter...if that was the choice given to me.

I don't have a view yet on this issue yet since I have not investigated it, but I do think that there is a moral issue when you create life and then kill it in order to preserve someone else's life. Should we also run medical experiments on prisoners like Adolf Hitler did? After all, that would lead to great leaps in medical science.

But again, I'm not decided on this issue yet, since I do not know what is involved in the process. Just playing angel's advocate here. For me, the whole issue revolves around the issue of when the soul comes to be. I have to look into that based on my religious beliefs, and I have to look into what goes on in stem cell research from a scientific perspective.

Okay, this argument is flawed and im sure is going to get shot down by everyone with strong religious beliefs. A blastocyte is NOT a human life and cannot be compared to a fully matured human being, being tortured. Please do not even try to say that it is the first step towards being human. It is not sentient, and it is not self aware, it has no thought processes. The cells havent even begun to differentiate yet, which is what is so special about them. If people really want to split ends about morality, lets make male masturbation illegal because surely that is killing several million potential "first steps" toward becoming human. Damn, lets stop women having periods while we're at it. I don't mean to get the "flame" thrower out Buffed, but it really frustrates me when people compare this to murdering babies (not that im saying you did).

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Okay, this argument is flawed and im sure is going to get shot down by everyone with strong religious beliefs. A blastocyte is NOT a human life and cannot be compared to a fully matured human being, being tortured. Please do not even try to say that it is the first step towards being human. It is not sentient, and it is not self aware, it has no thought processes. The cells havent even begun to differentiate yet, which is what is so special about them. If people really want to split ends about morality, lets make male masturbation illegal because surely that is killing several million potential "first steps" toward becoming human. Damn, lets stop women having periods while we're at it. I don't mean to get the "flame" thrower out Buffed, but it really frustrates me when people compare this to murdering babies (not that im saying you did).

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[BuffedGuy]

Okay, this argument is flawed and im sure is going to get shot down by everyone with strong religious beliefs. A blastocyte is NOT a human life and cannot be compared to a fully matured human being, being tortured. Please do not even try to say that it is the first step towards being human. It is not sentient, and it is not self aware, it has no thought processes. The cells havent even begun to differentiate yet, which is what is so special about them. If people really want to split ends about morality, lets make male masturbation illegal because surely that is killing several million potential "first steps" toward becoming human. Damn, lets stop women having periods while we're at it. I don't mean to get the "flame" thrower out Buffed, but it really frustrates me when people compare this to murdering babies (not that im saying you did).

I see what you are saying, Flagg. That's why I said I'm on the fence on this one. Like I told you, it would depend on when the soul enters the body. Of course, most atheists don't believe in souls, but 90+% of Americans believe in God, so I assume they also believe in souls.

But I think even according to my own religion, the soul enters the body much after that...I believe 40 days, but I need to look it up. This is, however, a very contentious issue, since everyone is going to have different religious/spiritual beliefs. If Christians believe that the soul enters before that, then I could totally see why they would have a problem with it.

[D7M]

But I think even according to my own religion, the soul enters the body much after that...I believe 40 days, but I need to look it up.

Buffed needs to look something up?

huh? i guess he's not a machine after all.

[MuscleScience]

I see what you are saying, Flagg. That's why I said I'm on the fence on this one. Like I told you, it would depend on when the soul enters the body. Of course, most atheists don't believe in souls, but 90+% of Americans believe in God, so I assume they also believe in souls.

But I think even according to my own religion, the soul enters the body much after that...I believe 40 days, but I need to look it up. This is, however, a very contentious issue, since everyone is going to have different religious/spiritual beliefs. If Christians believe that the soul enters before that, then I could totally see why they would have a problem with it.

Your in school to be an MD arent your. If so you will shortly became apathetic towards human life anyway, just like all my MD buddies......

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

obama "Yep, screw morality, the drug companies need to make better pills so i can live longer and make decisions for those that don't agree with me.."

LOL...