Politics as usual: another bad sign for world peace; Obama cowers to pro-Israelis

[Prada]

Well, I disagree with that 100%. The nation's interest is to divest altogether from Israel, which would save us billions of dollars, and also placate the billion plus Muslims in the world. Such a move would do more to stop terrorism than anything. So no, I don't think it is in America's interest to spend more on each Israeli citizen than our government does on each American citizen. We give them billions of dollars per year, and looking at the way the economy is, we sure could use that money.

Unfortunately I don't think all Muslim radicals are pacifists, they aren't exactly angels in Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Spain the Philippines, Uk, USA, Canada(yes there were synagogues bombed by Muslims) and I could go on and on. I dont see Hindus, Buddhists or Jews committing terrorism at a wide scale around the world. Or is there an explanation for that that Muslim terrorists use to justify their means? Muslims have to start by looking at themselves or they can keep their current vision and get no where. They can start by looking at their own corrupt governments and do something about that prior to blaming others. Or they can keep blaming others and remain status quo. Im not starting a diatribe towards Muslims but they need to change their own environment first. IMO the best thing is a bi-polar powers keeping themselves in check.

So no, it wasn't the nation's interest at all, but rather Obama's personal interest. Obama needed AIPAC's support to further his political career. Politics above policies.

AIPAC has a lot of political clout and weight. Yes we all know power and money rule the world. AIPAC has this within the USA the muslims not as much. If they did things would be the complete reciprocal.

I agree with part of what you said, but I'm afraid that part of what you said is just incorrect oversimplification. It is just like when some whites tell blacks "you guys need to stop whining and get your act together."

The status quo of a society is a reflection of hundreds of years of events that have taken place which have shaped them in the way they are now. To cogitate that the Muslim world--or the Arabs--just let themselves "be suppressed" by their leaders, or that the Jews advanced simply because they chose to "be lawyers" as opposed to "doing nothing but whining" is, well, sophomoric.

Furthermore, contrary to what you think, there are millions of educated Muslim lawyers, engineers, and doctors...doctors galore! That is not going to change a thing.

How do you know I think that? Did I state such a thing? They need to be higher up in politics, CEOs and have close links of trade with the Arabs AND need unity. What would arabs be without oil? Nomads and many are still uncivilized(please note I say this in its pure definition not as a derogatory remark). I can attest to that Ive lived there a few years.

I really wish Muslims with their wealth of oil would fund education, modernize their ideology and promote democracy. That is how they will be a force to reckon with. Perhaps they need more people, perhaps as yourself, to lead a new generation towards equity and success.
Its easy to blame others for their own misfortunes but it is those who challenge themselves from within that come out stronger. They could chose to remain the proverbial "lapdog" of others.

[BuffedGuy]

Unfortunately I don't think all Muslim radicals are pacifists, they aren't exactly angels in Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Spain the Philippines, Uk, USA, Canada(yes there were synagogues bombed by Muslims) and I could go on and on.

I do not deny that Muslim terrorists exist.

Rather, my point was that the ranks of Al-Qaeda and company swell whenever America and Israel invade and occupy Muslim lands, meddle in the internal affairs of Muslim countries, etc.

I dont see Hindus, Buddhists or Jews committing terrorism at a wide scale around the world.

I do not know about Buddhists, but I know for a fact that there are many Hindu and Jewish terrorists. You would not know the scale of the Hindu terrorism if you do not live where it is prevalent, namely in South Asia. You would not be cognizant of the Jewish terrorism if you did not live where it is prevalent, namely in Israel/Palestine.

Are there more "Muslim terrorists" that attack America? Sure. Why? As a reaction to the foreign policy. Therefore, as Dr. Ron Paul points out, stop the foreign policy, and the terrorism will slowly die out and lose gas.

Or is there an explanation for that that Muslim terrorists use to justify their means?

Obviously they justify their actions, otherwise they wouldn't do them.

Muslims have to start by looking at themselves or they can keep their current vision and get no where. They can start by looking at their own corrupt governments and do something about that prior to blaming others. Or they can keep blaming others and remain status quo. Im not starting a diatribe towards Muslims but they need to change their own environment first.

I think you need to stop talking about something of which you have no knowledge. The fact of the matter is that Muslims--even and *especially* the radical extremists--complain more about their own corrupt and oppressive puppet governments than the West. If you study history, you will know that ever since the fall of the Ottoman Empire, the West has ensured that the Muslim world be ruled by tyrants. The idea that the Muslim world has "done nothing" to change this matter is patently false, evidenced by the numerous attempted coups that were thwarted by the West or conversely executed by the West. Therefore, the two issues, i.e. the Western intervention and the leaders in the Muslim world, are linked.

Furthermore, the Muslims are not just "blaming others"; rather, we also evaluate our own behavior and think of ways on how to modify it. Almost every other sermon is about this topic. Just don't speak on this issue, since you haven't lived in the Muslim world, nor interacted with us, etc. It's patronizing.

Look, I understand your viewpoint, and I know you are not a bigot, but you sound a bit patronizing and condescending. It's like a white guy telling blacks on how they need to improve themselves and "stop blaming everyone else for everything." My response to you is that it is not either/or situation. The fact that the Muslims point out the causative agents, i.e. the Western intervention, does not mean that we cannot also improve on ourselves at the same time.

When I'm on a Non-Muslim forum and people complain about the situation of the Muslims, obviously I am going to point out that there are other factors at play. When I'm amongst my own Muslim people, then I talk about what our own faults are and what we can do to improve them.

Anyways, forget it.