Politics as usual: another bad sign for world peace; Obama cowers to pro-Israelis

[Prada]

BG, you said that I don't know what Im talking about. I do know what Im talking about. I'm just seeing your thought process. Your opinion, which I respect, doesn't equate to one being correct and the other being incorrect. You are capable of having a pacified debate or discussion? If so I will discuss with you if not then we shall stop right here since its pointless. Yet Im guessing you are open minded and not the reciprocal. I endure some of your accusations and assumptions because I think you sometimes respond out of frustration. I know its not easy to convince non-muslims your POV and that it is not easy contiously defending your POV when you are almost unique on this board. Again this is not a diatribe against Muslims, I actually wish they would be independent, progressive, democratic and free states.

For some reason Ive read lot about Mideast politics (not Muslims per se) Ive even visited the country that, I believe, you are from as well as the one that your people perform the sacred pilgrimage to. I was very young however.

I want to reiterate that I'm not anti-Muslim, I know the extremist are a minority and are not representative of the majority. I dont dislike the Jews either, I do think they have been unfair in the "dispute" Anyways Im not getting into that because it seems to be a hot issue which I dont feel like indulging myself in.

IMO, all Im saying is that Iran has to rid itself Ahmadinejad, Saudi Arabia has to eradicate the unfair, double standard, corrupt royal family. I think Pakistan has to stop voting for continuously corrupt leaders in Nawaz Sharif(PML) and Bhutto(PPP). The people of Egypt need to eradicate Hosni Mubarrack. Assad and Qhadafi have to go. Autocratic rule where self interest is in place has to be abolished. Israel doesn't have natural resources so the Arab world has to better them to be in a position of power. Yes you are right the US has many mid east countries as their lap dog. That is all I mean by Muslims first rectifying their situation beforehand. They have a lot of resource and potential to flourish but its to bad their leaders are corrupt and oppress their own people. Imagine the power of unity amongst the Arabs and political clout they would have. Yet I see them siphoning off resources from a finite resource, oil. Once oil is finished then they will return to the pre; Lawrence of Arabia era where they were nomads and lived in an uncivilzed world. BTW: In Saudi,uncivilized nomads and tribes exist until today. In contrast the royal family ride around in bullet proof, customized Mercedes, travel in private jets while their "slaves" hold their shopping bags while they shop till they drop on fifth avenue.
For me that is unacceptable.

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, Prada.

I stand corrected. This what you said here...

IMO, all Im saying is that Iran has to rid itself Ahmadinejad, Saudi Arabia has to eradicate the unfair, double standard, corrupt royal family. I think Pakistan has to stop voting for continuously corrupt leaders in Nawaz Sharif(PML) and Bhutto(PPP). The people of Egypt need to eradicate Hosni Mubarrack. Assad and Qhadafi have to go. Autocratic rule where self interest is in place has to be abolished. Israel doesn't have natural resources so the Arab world has to better them to be in a position of power. Yes you are right the US has many mid east countries as their lap dog. That is all I mean by Muslims first rectifying their situation beforehand. They have a lot of resource and potential to flourish but its to bad their leaders are corrupt and oppress their own people. Imagine the power of unity amongst the Arabs and political clout they would have. Yet I see them siphoning off resources from a finite resource, oil. Once oil is finished then they will return to the pre; Lawrence of Arabia era where they were nomads and lived in an uncivilzed world. BTW: In Saudi,uncivilized nomads and tribes exist until today. In contrast the royal family ride around in bullet proof, customized Mercedes, travel in private jets while their "slaves" hold their shopping bags while they shop till they drop on fifth avenue.
For me that is unacceptable.

...is spot on.

If you look in my "Ask a Muslim" thread, I mentioned almost all of the things you just said.

And I also agree with you here:

That is exactly it man. Nothing gets granted on a silver platter in life. It will take time and generations but it can be done with right leadership and stewardship. What has ~half a century gotten Palestine? Nothing, it will still not get them anything unless they await for the total collapse of the US but even then. Its all about priorities and long term planning. Easier said then done? I acknowledge that but sometimes, Ill quote a Muslim Chechen freedom fighter, "sometimes you sacrifice today for a better tomorrow". He sacrificed his life for a better tomorrow for his children.

I misunderstood your previous post and thought you were showing frustration that all this hasn't happened yet. Like you, I believe it will take many generations. All I can say is that there are Muslims working on improving themselves, and God-Willing our condition will improve a few generations down the line. But like you said, it will take a long time, dedication, sacrifice, consistency, and hard-work. It will not happen overnight, but the process must begin now.

I apologize for jumping on you. You have understood the situation spot-on.

In the Care of the Lord,
-Saladin.