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my friend is a pro bodybuilder, get a few bits from him .... i asked him to get me some pct meds and he told me to start two weeks before i finish and run for 4 weeks .... he said him and all pro bodybuilders he know run it like this, im stuck in two minds!
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I don't know about that.
If you started 2 weeks before you stopped and say you were on a test e cycle and run it for 4 weeks then when teh pct stops the test e would be just leaving your system too.
Which would make me think your completely wasting your time and money and accomplishing nothing
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hmm thats what i thought but im not gonna tell a 250lb bb with 4%bf that he is wrong.... hmmm any idea why thy do it that way
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Bingo ^^
Thats why you wait atleast 1-2 weeks after your last shot before PCT
So you can put all that liquid gold to good use without any waste
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the only reason I would see to start some things early would be to maybe to get the estrogen out of your system faster and easier
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hmmm ... he also said for pct tamox and clomid + hcg , i dnt really want to do hcg .... i was gonna go for clomid + nolva, and run adex throughout but adex is crazy expensive... is there a cheaper alternative?
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Letrozole
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thnks mate, works the same as adex..? any thoughts on pct
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Put it simply, Arimidex will lower estrogen a fair bit but Letrozole will kill itOriginally Posted by RoidBoid
So you can sometimes have dosages as small as 1/4 pill EOD and its enough
I'd say
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
Clomid: 50/50/50/50
Letro: 0.25mg EOD
Then again you may not even need Letro, I just keep it on hand incase I have a gyno flare up personally.
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right i see, im not clear on pct meds always learning ayy.... so is tamox an alternative to nolva?
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????
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Nolvadex IS Tamoxifen (Nolvadex is just the trade name, Tamoxifen is the chemical compound)
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thnks jack
Last edited by RoidBoid; 03-25-2009 at 11:25 AM.
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Ask him what the "p" in pct stands for lmao.
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lol .... i have up most respect for this bloke . cnt understand why the big boys do this....
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They don't all do that mate, don't believe everything you hear.
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Most pro bodybuilders cruise and blast, so PCT is not necessary.
What works for you friend = works for everyone
If Ronnie came out and said I do 32 week tren cycles and I am fine and I know two other bodybuilders that do it and they are fine, does that mean that it is ok to run 32 week tren cycles? No
What is this name of this guy? If he is 250lbs with 4% bodyfat he should be IFBB pro.
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well put .... ive known him for a number of years and he knows his stuff but just couldnt work that one out when he told me.... he is in the u.k and yes he is a pro, he owns a gym and a shop and his shop is covered in pictures of him on stage and backstage with ronnie,jay cutler etc .... very well known in the BB scene but cant name names sorry.
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my dad was a 'pro' bber and likely never used pct... rule of thumb: any advice given to you by someone at the gym is bad advice until proven otherwise.
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yes i agree with the given by a gym member, but this guy is a friend, a bodybuilder at a high level, not some muppet from the gym trying to bench 80lbs.... thats when u hit the dilema,
he also told me that forum sites also bump the dosage of pct meds so companys make more money, like for clomid he uses 20mg daily for four weeks, he says anythink over that is overkill ... its where the companys get there money .... i do respect alot of people on here and thier advice i think it comes to a point where i have to try and come to a conclusion myself after finding evidence or feedback
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yeah but theres huge problems with his theory: those companies dont produce clomid/nolvadex for PCT purposes. the pharmaceutical industry has no special interest in the dosage recommendations for pct. these numbers are generated by looking at scientific studies in medical journals.
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How close r u w the guy? Aot of the mBS a lot. Im close w a few n know a few more n a lot of them give bunk advise to keep u away from the win. i had a guy tell me to come off all my shi16wks b4my show. He was intimadated by me, didnt want me taken his win. I know a guy being trained by the guy that trains phill heath, ja cuttlerand a few other guys idk his name but he charges 5g a month for advise, i askd him w he had him on n he said a bunch of bs but if im payn 5g a month i am not letn anyone get my advisefor free either
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now this guy is a friend, he int tryin to make money out of me. He is the one tht got my diet in shape... he is a machine, ill try get some pics .... it baffles me how he can be so high in BB and yet not have superior knowledge on pct
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isnt the language of the forum, generally english??
as for the PCT advice. this is pretty broad information. he couldve been including anti e's, when he said, start before your cycle is up?? so he could be starting adex, and hcg prior to cycle ending. then going to nolva and clomid, when the cycle is over. if prop is the test he uses. then you can begin pct almost right away after your last shot.
so before everyone jumps on this. it would certainly help if we had all the details.
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At the end of the day I think what everyones trying to say is theres no logical reason behind what your friend said, as in none of us can see how it'd benefit you over doing a proper PCT (POST CYCLE)
We all do it
We all know it works
We've got no reason to change it
Post Cycle Extraordinaire~GOT PCT?
Horrible idea for PCT.
In bold kiddies...
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Theres a thread, search for it - member successfully reversed gyno with Letrozole.
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Dont have to. I already know about C Bino's gyno reversal method.
Its questionable at best.
Read my thread.
Running Letro reversals, preventing gyno, and everthing inbetween
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=379916
Also might wanna check out Drummerboys PCT thread bro.
Dont suggest Letro for it again.
Drummerboys PCT and Cycle Recomendations: Estrogen, Progesterone and Cortisol control
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848
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if not letro what could i run daily at a small dose like adex, the reason is ill be taking finasteride, so dht will be reduced, leaving the estrogen levels high, thats why i need to run it daily...
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LMAO! I was thinking he was drunk typing that....isnt the language of the forum, generally english??
as for the PCT advice. this is pretty broad information. he couldve been including anti e's, when he said, start before your cycle is up?? so he could be starting adex, and hcg prior to cycle ending. then going to nolva and clomid, when the cycle is over. if prop is the test he uses. then you can begin pct almost right away after your last shot.
so before everyone jumps on this. it would certainly help if we had all the details.
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bump
Post Cycle Extraordinaire~GOT PCT?
If you need to control exessive estorgen, then yes, Adex while on cycle is best.
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yes i agree but adex is too pricey for me, is there a cheaper alternative?
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Aromasin, but thats likely more expensive.
You can run Nolva during the cycle, but that will likely hurt your gains a bit. Though in my experience, its not as bad as people say.
And i think Adex is like 60$ at AR-R.com
You cannot afford that?
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my mate said 4 times that...... gotcha!
Last edited by RoidBoid; 03-26-2009 at 02:18 AM.
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I have a friend kinda like that, who competes in local shows and he was telling me his way to do pct, which consists of novedex xt and hcg. I looked at him and wondered wtf is wrong with him? It don't make sense cause he does not have bitch tits and recovers just fine, so I don't know its either people lie about it or it just works specifically for them.
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I got some advice from a guy who has been doing shows for many years. I told him I was taking anadrol and he told me to start by taking a half a pill eod. I knew that this was ridiculous. He is an amateur who competed at the Arnold. Like was said earlier, don't believe everything you hear........even if the guy is jacked.
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let me get this right...your buddy charges 5 grand a month for advise? what idiot would pay that????
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the real gurus like chad nichols. charge insane amounts. thats why generally, only the pros use them. or only the guys that can afford him, go pro.
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Cheaper alternative to Adex?? Liquidex. Period.
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