Test and ED

[Warrior1700]

agreed, getting E2 dialed in is key. i think for me using HCG was making it tough sometimes to get my E2 in a "sweet spot" so i stopped using it for a little while to see if only dealing with two variables (Test and adex) instead of three will make it easier.

Ahhh, interesting that you bring up HCG, cuz my Doc wants to prescribe that as well after the AI, since I have been on 400 mg weekly for nine months since the last time I did a botle of HCG. SO no HCG and just the AI you think?

[ZonaDave]

Ahhh, interesting that you bring up HCG, cuz my Doc wants to prescribe that as well after the AI, since I have been on 400 mg weekly for nine months since the last time I did a botle of HCG. SO no HCG and just the AI you think?

man that's alot of T! i'm on 120mg/week right now and i feel good. i might have to bump that up a little now that i'm taking a break for HCG.

it's really up to what you and your doctor agree on but in my opinion i think it would be easier to get the T and E set first before adding HCG.

i'm still not sure about HCG. here's the thing...i find it hard to believe that someone who is primary can get enough from HCG. if HCG works for someone who is primary, then why can't it boost your natural T levels enough to make you feel good?

also, they say HCG loses its potency after about 3-4 weeks. well, if you have your T and adex doses set just right and your HCG starts to lose its potency then that means your E2 will start to drop lower than your sweet spot. my question is, how do you know when HCG starts to lose its potency? and if you have to increase your HCG dose to compensate, how much do you increase it? i've never felt any different on it let alone know when its degrading a little.

i've been on it since i started TRT back in Aug. 2008 so it will be interesting to see what happens now that i stopped taking it. i might find out that it was doing more than i thought it was. there's only one way to find out.

back to your original question. Test Cyp and adex are very stabil so i would work on getting those two adjusted first. i think it would be alot easier dealing with two variables rather than three. once you get those two set you can add HCG to see how you feel. you should be feeling great when you have your Test Cyp and adex adjusted properly so you'll know if the HCG is making an improvement or not.

[Warrior1700]

man that's alot of T! i'm on 120mg/week right now and i feel good. i might have to bump that up a little now that i'm taking a break for HCG.

if HCG works for someone who is primary, then why can't it boost your natural T levels enough to make you feel good?

also, they say HCG loses its potency after about 3-4 weeks. well, if you have your T and adex doses set just right and your HCG starts to lose its potency then that means your E2 will start to drop lower than your sweet spot. my question is, how do you know when HCG starts to lose its potency? and if you have to increase your HCG dose to compensate, how much do you increase it? i've never felt any different on it let alone know when its degrading a little.

i've been on it since i started TRT back in Aug. 2008 so it will be interesting to see what happens now that i stopped taking it. i might find out that it was doing more than i thought it was. there's only one way to find out.

back to your original question. Test Cyp and adex are very stabil so i would work on getting those two adjusted first. i think it would be alot easier dealing with two variables rather than three. once you get those two set you can add HCG to see how you feel. you should be feeling great when you have your Test Cyp and adex adjusted properly so you'll know if the HCG is making an improvement or not.

Well, to touch on a few points...my doc lets me kinda adjust my cyp as I feel necessary...I can have him reduce it to 300mg weekly or even 200mg, but I am also trying to get some bodybuilding advantage from it as well.

As far as the HCG, yea, my Q would be that also, why can't it work to boost your natural T level? But now that is getting way beyond my brain power.

So to the adex, he gave me enuf for 5 days a week for 6 weeks and he wants another blood test after that. When you say get the "sweet spot" or getting them adjusted, what do you mean exactly? Getting the E blood level lower than what is currently is and knowing its lower via the blood work?

[ZonaDave]

When you say get the "sweet spot" or getting them adjusted, what do you mean exactly?

in TRT terms, there's a sweet spot where you have enough T in you system while keeping your E2 in the mid-range. this is different than blasting because it's more about balance. when there's too much T then the body works hard to dump the excess which usually mean conversion to E2.

when taking large amounts of T like what you're on right now you need alot of adex to keep your E2 from going sky high. you won't be able to maintain high levels like that for long periods of time.

it's common to feel the way you do. most guys on TRT probably think "well, i'm on it for life, i might as well get a little extra out of it from time-to-time".

i'm at the point now where i want to find that hormonal "sweet spot" first so i can identify it.

[Warrior1700]

in TRT terms, there's a sweet spot where you have enough T in you system while keeping your E2 in the mid-range. this is different than blasting because it's more about balance. when there's too much T then the body works hard to dump the excess which usually mean conversion to E2.

when taking large amounts of T like what you're on right now you need alot of adex to keep your E2 from going sky high. you won't be able to maintain high levels like that for long periods of time.

So I chould be defeating the purpose of getting the T? If it's too much I am converting the excess to too Much E? So how much adex whould I be taking at this point?

[ZonaDave]

So I chould be defeating the purpose of getting the T? If it's too much I am converting the excess to too Much E? So how much adex whould I be taking at this point?

i'm not sure how much your converting. you'll have to run some tests to find out for sure and adjust your protocol accordingly.

T affects everyone differently and it changes with age. older guys tend to have more issues dealing with E than younger guys do. i remember doing some heavy cycles back in the late 80's when i was in my early 20's and i never used anything for E control. i was a walking hard-on and i couldn't get enough. i felt indestructable.

i'm not sure what would happen now if i did a cycle. i'm sure i'd have to take quite a bit of anastrozole to keep my E2 under control and the high T level might give me some anxiety...not sure.

anytime you make changes to your protocol it would be a good idea to run some test a month or so later to see where things are.