Wight-Loss...what should i take...?

[xxxJUICExxx]

Hello everyone i have been amember of this thread for quite some time now but have been missing in action. I have been dieting and excercising for the past few months after a long break (dont ask me why i was on the break lol).

I have been in and out of gyms for many years now, and i am very familiar with my way around the gym. I workout now about -5-6 days a week with 100 calorie burns before and after each workout. Ive lost about 12 solid fat lbs this past couple months and reduced 4 pant sizes. My muscle memory is great and seems like im back at the weights that i use 2 repetition and max out.

I attached couple pics of what i look like now....I am in a slouching poistion which intensifies the mid fatty region. My posture when i walk is alot more solid so i dont look as bad. I clearly need 2 lose about another 40 lbs i believe before i reach a normal weight (for myself).

stats

24 yo
6ft
280 lbs(i dont look 280, thats beacuase i do have alot of muslce)
5-6 days a week
BF% i dunno ide guess lower 20s..?

my workouts are pretty intense....i do 35-40 mins of cardio everyday along with an entire push and pull workout(4 setss primary 2sets secondary). I do 6 excercises , 4 sets, avg 40-50 reps each set, so my workouts are pretty intense and i am completely drenched in sweat when i leave the gym....

ive been researching and ide like to start a cycle. Ive tried Clen before but my heartrate races and i cant function properly, besides th efact that he sensation worries me.

Consulting some gym buddies, and doing some research on this site ive concluded that besides a diet change i could take some stuff to incrrease the rate at which i drop fat..

i was thinking test,anavar, equipoise and winstrol to possibly cut


what kinda confuses me is which should i use when....and is that combination wise...?

besides hard work and dedication and alota cardio i wanna throw a little something in there 2 enhance all this....


what do you guys suggest?

[Mammon]

eca stack and keep busting your ass with the cardio... keep or get the diet in check

[NATE0406]

cardio, cardio and diet diet diet

[Noles12]

You need better diet and need to decrease your bf a lot more before considering aas. Winstrol will do nothing at your bf. Post your diet in the diet section and get it in check.

Also what are 100 calorie burns? SPrints?

[xxxJUICExxx]

You need better diet and need to decrease your bf a lot more before considering aas. Winstrol will do nothing at your bf. Post your diet in the diet section and get it in check.

Also what are 100 calorie burns? SPrints?

100 calorie burns meaning i burn 100 calories before and after i workout by a means of cardio....

2 minute sprints....
1 minute light jog/ walk

i do that until ive reached 100 calories

[xxxJUICExxx]

eca stack and keep busting your ass with the cardio... keep or get the diet in check

what kinda eca stack would you recommend...


i know i look fat but under the fat i do have alot of muscle and a solid frame....

i squat approximately 480
bench 300

no problem


the only problem i have is the fat around my stomach....

that picture is a pic taken after 3 days of not workin out.


if i post a PSOT WORKOUT pic and suck in my stomach just a tad i look like my abs are totally flat...

i have already realized that cardio and diet is #1 believe me.

i was thinking
500mg TEST/ week
and some anavar (not certain which doasge would be best for me)

if i drop 30 lbs ill be good

[NATE0406]

what kinda eca stack would you recommend...


i know i look fat but under the fat i do have alot of muscle and a solid frame....

i squat approximately 480
bench 300

no problem


the only problem i have is the fat around my stomach....

that picture is a pic taken after 3 days of not workin out.


if i post a PSOT WORKOUT pic and suck in my stomach just a tad i look like my abs are totally flat...

i have already realized that cardio and diet is #1 believe me.

i was thinking
500mg TEST/ week
and some anavar (not certain which doasge would be best for me)

if i drop 30 lbs ill be good

bro aas is not going to solve your problem.

[xxxJUICExxx]

lemme ask you something bro...?

if you had 2 guess my weight by those 2 pics


what would u say?

[NATE0406]

290 or so. but you already told me that you where 280, but bro you do look every bit of 280.

[tripmachine]

what kinda eca stack would you recommend...


i know i look fat but under the fat i do have alot of muscle and a solid frame....

i squat approximately 480
bench 300

no problem


the only problem i have is the fat around my stomach....

that picture is a pic taken after 3 days of not workin out.


if i post a PSOT WORKOUT pic and suck in my stomach just a tad i look like my abs are totally flat...

i have already realized that cardio and diet is #1 believe me.

i was thinking
500mg TEST/ week
and some anavar (not certain which doasge would be best for me)

if i drop 30 lbs ill be good

NOOOOOOO don't cycle anything but clen or and eca stack for now...... my buddy cycled while he was around 25-30% bf and trust me.... it was a HORRIBLE mistake! you probably want to cycle so you can use that as a 'motivator' but find something else until you get your bf% down. It will be bad if you cycle... and a waste for the most part. Good luck and you can drop that fat down to 15% i bet in 3-6 months depending on a few things....

[xxxJUICExxx]

I have a good friend of mine

who has a similar physique and he took anavar and test simultanerously and even without any cardio achieved weightloss...

if i show you a picture of me flexing you will forsure see chest,traps, tricep and bicep muscles...

im 280 now

i dont believe i look 280 after i workout....

[NATE0406]

well bro all i can say is keep up the good work. you seem to have your mind made up on this subject good luck bro.

[Mammon]

so all that rises up into your chest or something after you workout..
we are not trying to bullshit you.. and know its not what your wanting to hear. but you are being given solid advice.. gear is not the answer yet.. have some patience.

[xxxJUICExxx]

k kool
?

[NATE0406]

k kool


i appreciate your guyss input totally

lemme ask you a question

if you were to hypothetically gauge

how many pushups you think i should be able 2 do nonstop at one time before i consider gear?

come on man. you cant be serious but just incase you are then i would say when you can do 300 pushups straight then sure go for it. lol

[xxxJUICExxx]

so basically your telling me that i am too fat to take something lose the fat?

[NATE0406]

so basically your telling me that i am too fat to take something lose the fat?

no bro. im telling you that aas doesnt burn fat like you think it does. its not magic. you need to keep working hard in the gym and diet for atleast 1 year before you think about cycling. you need to try to drop your bf to atleast the teens. im not trying to discourage you but how much you can lift or how many pushups you can do has nothing to do with cycleing. i think with some detication and hard work you can get to where you want to be within 6-8 months.

[Noles12]

You do realize that test will not magically make you lose weight. With my cycle right now im bulking with Test E 500mgs/week and i have gained 14 lbs because i am dieting to bulk. If you diet to cut you will lose weight but its not the aas that decides whether or not you lose weight. You are at about 25% bf and look every bit of 280. Are you expected for steroids to be magical and make you lose 100 pounds because they will not. Sorry to disappoint you but it all comes back to diet and that is all you nedd. Diet, cardio, and hardwork

If you want throw in a eca stack and that will help

[Mammon]

reminds me when i was about 9 starting in the arts.. the kwanjang, think im spelling it right lol said as i was getting my yellow.. if you can kick the ceiling you can get your black belt today.. sounded great.. but the ceiling was 15 foot high and i was 9..
needless to say it wasnt going to happen

[tripmachine]

so basically your telling me that i am too fat to take something lose the fat?

whoever told you anavar + test is the best option for fat burning doesn't know what they're talking about..... you'd have better results burning fat with clen or an eca stack..... how about you tell us what we should be doing?? I don't know why people like to ask for advice but then fight and argue about it until they hear what they wanted to hear.... ???

[wackod2]

listen to these men, they have seen others mistakes

[xxxJUICExxx]

k well i totally appreciate the precaution and the concerns but i am very aware of what results possibly can or cant be achieved with juice.

Ive worked at a gym and have been in and around the juicing world my entire life. Ironically enough i shouldnt have been the way i am now but i am the fattest i have ever been now.

I just want you guys to understand that i am not twisting my face at the sounds of you telling me that i need 2 do cardio and workout the old fashioned way. I am aware of that and realize that without a solid frame you wont get anywhere.


i attached another pic...heres what i used 2 look like.....ide say thats enough of aframe to say the least

.....

there i was like 235, after i had worked down from my 275-290 state (which i am currently in now ). I still had some fat but i was solid.....that took me almost 8-12 months to lose like 40 lbs....im wondering is there anything i can do now to lose that 40 lbs in 4-6 months...thats all


my body retains water in all the wrong places especially thats why i look fatter than i really am...

what do you think o fthis pic of me couple years ago?? thats no juice straight cardio...believe me i know what just diet and cardio can achieve

my body reacts quick to weightloss and my muscles aint goin nowhere...i retained most of my sizeand bulk and i know if i hit it again hard like i used 2 i will drop all the weight

i just wanna know wats a smart combination of stacks...

is anavar better or should i just go with a straight GH cycle and tear it all up...?

[Noles12]

I feel like you arent ready for gear in that pic either. If thats you at 235 then i would say you are still 18% bf which is not good. IM think im done with this because you ask for help but then try to refute anything we say because its not what you want to hear

[NATE0406]

ooooooo im done..goodnight all

[tripmachine]

Let's see what your diet looks like because the last pic you posted you say is all diet / cardio....... honestly that's not impressive if you spent 6 months to 1 year with a solid diet and good cardio..... I don't mean to sound mean but you have high body fat in that picture too you know..... it can come down and it should. You say you retain water and it stores in all the wrong places...... that's exactly what happened to my friend after he cycled.... he is 6'4" 300ish after the cycle he had crazy lumps of water throughout his body..


You keep talking about your solid frame...... that doesn't have much to do with losing the fat you need to lose.... worry about the fat loss and learning how to eat a clean diet first before jumping on the 'magical juice'


Why are you trying sooo hard to convince people to say 'yeah man, you're right!!! you should cycle!! good idea! :]'

[xxxJUICExxx]

I feel like you arent ready for gear in that pic either. If thats you at 235 then i would say you are still 18% bf which is not good. IM think im done with this because you ask for help but then try to refute anything we say because its not what you want to hear

dude im not at all...lol

i just wanna make sure you guys have all the information you need about me so the advice you give is as UNgeneralized as possible.


Its simple to give some advice and pat somebody on the butt and sendem on their way


i just wanna make sure i aint one of those people and you guys know what im all about and where im coming from and where i wanna be before you give me standard advice


thats all

nothing personal to you dudes

you guys are the ****in shit

i appreciate you takin time out of your day and giving me advice

believe me....

[Noles12]

If you say we are that great then listen to our advice and try it. Hell we might actually have something that works

[Mammon]

nah we hear ya.. and are sure your you will get where you need to be no doubt about that.. just hang in there for a bit and keep busting your ass.. really id post up the diet and let some of the guys tweak it for you.. just that may make a world of difference and speed up the process.

[Tigershark]

Get your diet in check for certain. I increased my water intake to loose wieght a few years back. I kept full and did not want to eat all the junk food I was like before.

[xxxJUICExxx]

k fair enough....

but as a shredder whats better
/
anavar or winny?

[utex45]

Why do we even bother to respond to peole that are this stubborn and don't get what AAS actually does biochemically.

Dude, lose about 10 to 15% bodyfat first. AAS does not burn fat, no way no how. Its used to increase protein synthesis, etc. to push your body's natural muscle building limits. There are drugs that accelerate metabolism like Clen, T3, ECA, etc. that are used to drop fat. But until you quit eating a lot of salt and empty calories and get your ass on the treadmill don't do steroids. Besides with that amount of bodyfat you could be a case of gyno and other issues waiting to happen.

This reminds of when I see fat people doing crunches. Why, why, why...If you can't seen the abs what's the point, spend your time on the treadmill and loose the fat/weight first then you can see the definition.

Argh...

[jfalco]

100 calorie burns!! are you ****ing joking? You are going to take a very long time to loose weight with that. Buring 200 calories aint shit. If you want to see quick results do at least 3 times as much cardio as you are.

[jfalco]

maybe just an unflattering pic, but you look bigger than 280 to me. I would have guessed 3 bills.

[jamyjamjr]

aright bud... your diet needs an overhaul

head on over to the diet section of this forum
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6

post up a detailed diet and ask for a critique (im in there daily)

we'll set you up on a great diet and get that weight off your ass...

i used to be pretty overweight myself, so i can relate..

[tripmachine]

what kinda eca stack would you recommend...

Well there aren't really different kinds but here are the doses I would recommend....

Pure ephedrine by 'vasopro'....

ephedrine - 25mg 3x daily - total 75mg per day
caffeine - 200-250mg 3x daily - total 600-750mg daily
aspirin - 81mg per day (baby aspirin)

That will help out a lot combined with diet / cardio.

[Noles12]

k fair enough....

but as a shredder whats better
/
anavar or winny?

Winny will do nothing for someone with a higher bodyfat. So at 15% i would say anavar but you arent ready for it when you are around 25 % bf. Trust me

[Noles12]

This reminds of when I see fat people doing crunches. Why, why, why...If you can't seen the abs what's the point, spend your time on the treadmill and loose the fat/weight first then you can see the definition.

Argh...

This statement isnt entirely true. First off i do agree about not doing crunches but not for that reason. It is good to build muscle even when you are overweight. You dont do it all for appearance. Core strength is needed for workouts. This is like saying dont work out anything because you are fat

[utex45]

This statement isnt entirely true. First off i do agree about not doing crunches but not for that reason. It is good to build muscle even when you are overweight. You dont do it all for appearance. Core strength is needed for workouts. This is like saying dont work out anything because you are fat

Didn't think about that, but what about folks that get on the weighted roman chair machine and bang out sets. There are much better ways to strengthen your core. But I digress. I guess my point in my rant was, get your diet and cardio in order if you want to drop bodyfat. And if you want to do AAS then get your bodyfat down. If you do enough research you will find that no AAS will drop bodyfat its used in cut for muscle sparing effect or minimize water bloat with certain ones. Maybe Tren from what I read may have some benefits but not my area of expertise

[NATE0406]

i cant believe this thread is still alive. point blank man you have been ask many times to post diet and you have been given the same advice over and over its not going to change today.

[jamyjamjr]

i cant believe this thread is still alive. point blank man you have been ask many times to post diet and you have been given the same advice over and over its not going to change today.

i even gave the guy the link...

we're not gonna spoon feed you what you wanna hear...

post up your freakin diet and lets get ya fixed up, we wanna help...

otherwise, go find a cliff and stop waisting our time