
 Originally Posted by 
JiGGaMaN
					 
				 
				the only thing i disagree with is your definition of socialism:  your clarified version was  "let me clarify, when gov gets involved in the economy, you have a socialist nation".  
then you go on to admit the government builds roads, provides welfare, postal service are public initiatives performed by the government.  that means according to your statement that the U.S. government has been socialist since the beginning.  But then you disagree with that definition, even though you are the one who provided it.  What im trying to say is you need to define what you consider socialist more accurately.