obama on gun control

[JiGGaMaN]

In the states where you can carry a gun the gun violence rate is lower..and I shouldnt have to justify any of this.

relative to countries where there are strict gun ownership laws? i think not.

[RA]

There you go again jigga...thinking!

I was comparing states. Like the united states.

relative to countries where there are strict gun ownership laws? i think not.

[Duck of Death]

relative to countries where there are strict gun ownership laws? i think not.

....You should not post drivel like this without being well informed. In Switzerland, citizens are REQUIRED to keep in their home a fully (not semi) automatic assault rifle with 500 rounds of ammunition at all times. You can find pictures on the net showing students with their rifles slung over their shoulders going to school and visiting the range after classes. Their incidence of gun crimes is WAY lower than the United States. The country that has the HIGHEST ownership of guns per capita is........Israel. Gun crime rate - extremely low.
How bout The two areas in the U.S. that have the strictest gun control laws - Washington, D.C. and New York City?? Shouldnt they be little paradises where citizens can roam the streets, unafraid of gun violence?? WRONG-O!!
So you see your argument has absolutely no validity whatsoever. Actually it is a moot point, since the constitution recognizes (not grants) our God-given right to keep and bear arms. No two- bit democratic fascist and his staff of tax cheats and liars can take it away.
Is this clear enough for you?

[Nooomoto]

....You should not post drivel like this without being well informed. In Switzerland, citizens are REQUIRED to keep in their home a fully (not semi) automatic assault rifle with 500 rounds of ammunition at all times. You can find pictures on the net showing students with their rifles slung over their shoulders going to school and visiting the range after classes. Their incidence of gun crimes is WAY lower than the United States. The country that has the HIGHEST ownership of guns per capita is........Israel. Gun crime rate - extremely low.
How bout The two areas in the U.S. that have the strictest gun control laws - Washington, D.C. and New York City?? Shouldnt they be little paradises where citizens can roam the streets, unafraid of gun violence?? WRONG-O!!
So you see your argument has absolutely no validity whatsoever. Actually it is a moot point, since the constitution recognizes (not grants) our God-given right to keep and bear arms. No two- bit democratic fascist and his staff of tax cheats and liars can take it away.
Is this clear enough for you?

So I looked it up, you're a tad off. It seems that it's not all citizens, but militia members. The militia members are required to keep their weapon in their home.

I didn't know about this, and I'm impressed. Thanks for bringing it up!

from Wikipedia:

The gun policy in Switzerland is unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world. In recent times political opposition has expressed a desire for tighter gun regulations.[1]

[sloth9]

I am perfectly sane, do have ADD, but anyway I am fine. I will not roll over for this at all, I have plenty of guns unregistered and they will stay unregistered. I will start keeping them underground if this passes, cause sooner or later it will be thrown away. My registered guns, I will register them cause they are already in a data base and believe me they will start knocking on doors for them. I think it is BS and we must fight this all the way. Think about this some schools (colleges) have been talking about full registration, but allowing students who are legal, to carry on campus, it has been talked about in texas and utah, or so says my buddy in the gun club down here. But regardless if this is true, the arguement is if you are a gunman fixing to pull a rampage, you are gonna think twice if you know you are going to walk onto a campus with 12-30 police with guns and maybe 400 students with guns, who maybe just as well trained as a police officer in using the weapon. Now I do agree that we need something in place to stop these psychos, but no amount of phsyche tests are gonna stop this, we are just asking for more government in an era that needs less government. Civil war, I dont know? but it is leaning more and more to civil unrest, if the states were granted more control on alot of government situations it would be better.


Now it has been a while since I took History classes in college but didnt the civil war actually start because of too much federal government. Something to do with the Slaves were considered property, and when the slaves would run to a northern state for freedom, the northern state had to give the slaves back to the owners. Then later it changed to where the slaves did not have to be taken back to the owner but the slaves still didnt have freedom and or amnesty. Long story short the government stepped in and made an overruling judgment for all the states and the south said uh, hell no, they are taking our property so let leave the union. Hence the civil war, now correct me if I am wrong but I know it isnt just we in the south had slaves and didnt want to give up so we all created a war. There was a little more to it and how it all started.

Do not mis-construe this I said its been a while and I could be wrong, I also do not think they were right, slavery was horrible. I am just trying to prove a point the federal government was walking on rights and just pissing on them so they were fed up and the war started. In my eyes the way so many people like guns this very well could happen again, I hope not cause I dont want to fight, but dont you think that this time the gun owners could win, cause most libs are pacifist's who hug trees and eat vegetables, calling for gun control, and all the gang bangers cant hit 2 targets with a full clip, and the ones who own guns and love their freedom have training on how to shoot and use a gun properly, who do you think would win when fighting for their rights?

[JiGGaMaN]

....You should not post drivel like this without being well informed. In Switzerland, citizens are REQUIRED to keep in their home a fully (not semi) automatic assault rifle with 500 rounds of ammunition at all times. You can find pictures on the net showing students with their rifles slung over their shoulders going to school and visiting the range after classes. Their incidence of gun crimes is WAY lower than the United States. The country that has the HIGHEST ownership of guns per capita is........Israel. Gun crime rate - extremely low.
How bout The two areas in the U.S. that have the strictest gun control laws - Washington, D.C. and New York City?? Shouldnt they be little paradises where citizens can roam the streets, unafraid of gun violence?? WRONG-O!!
So you see your argument has absolutely no validity whatsoever. Actually it is a moot point, since the constitution recognizes (not grants) our God-given right to keep and bear arms. No two- bit democratic fascist and his staff of tax cheats and liars can take it away.
Is this clear enough for you?

they are employed by the military, not keeping guns just for the sake of having them.

[sloth9]

Here read this, http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-switzerland.htm

it is a compulsory law they are required to keep guns, they are for militia use, but the normal citizen can have guns too, this link clarifies it alot better, than explained above.

[stangmatt06]

[RA]

lol, yeah, so far its having the opposite effect. My brother in law cant buy shells for his .300 win mag. All out...

[Duck of Death]

they are employed by the military, not keeping guns just for the sake of having them.

...BZZZZTTTT!! WRONG AGAIN!! THANKS FOR PLAYING!

From the above link.....

<<Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency>>

..Not at all "employed" by the military. Nice try, though - read up and come back soon!

[quarry206]

...BZZZZTTTT!! WRONG AGAIN!! THANKS FOR PLAYING!

From the above link.....

<<Switzerland keeps only a small standing army, and relies much more heavily on its militia system for national defense. This means that most able-bodied civilian men of military age keep weapons at home in case of a national emergency>>

..Not at all "employed" by the military. Nice try, though - read up and come back soon!

once agian your kind of wrong.. the reason males age 19-31 have weapons if because at that age they are required to be part of their federal service. it is required.. they have a very small active army. but its the duty of males ages 19-31 to come to duty if needed


the armed forces consist of a small nucleus of about 3,600 professional staff, half of whom are either instructors or staff officers, with the rest being conscripts or volunteers. All able-bodied Swiss males aged between 19 and 31 must serve, and although entry to recruit school may be delayed due to senior secondary school, it is no longer possible to postpone it for university studies. About one third is excluded for various reasons, and these either serve in Civil Protection or Civilian Service.

so really they are the national guard of switzerland... just like america, if you read the second admendent that is what the national guard is, a states militia.. they are just cooler and get to take their weapons home without having to do weekend drills haha

[mho]

relative to countries where there are strict gun ownership laws? i think not.

In Switzerland, all young men are issued automatic assault rifles that are to be kept in the possession of the individual. People sometimes walk around in public with assault rifles strapped to their backs. Yet Switzerland is among the countries with the lowest gun crime in the world. The problem is not the gun it's the people.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1566715.stm