so how many of you are going to man up and admit you started gear at a bf over 20%

[jamyjamjr]

i think i was 35% BF when i did my first cycle

look at me now...

ahhh... the wonders of gear!!!!

stop giving all the fat n00bs false hope... lmao

[jfalco]

stop giving all the fat n00bs false hope... lmao

what do you think this whole thread does? You guys all try to stick to your guns about not giving bad advice. Anythime I see anyone say they are 20% or over and planning a cycle everyone on this board jumps down their throat. Do you think all those guys won't see this thread? Every time one of you guys tries to talk someone out of doing a cycle that they shouldn't be doing, you credibility will be hurt by this thread.

jamyjamr, I'm kind of surprised you would start this thread, becuase you are one of the more helpful members on this board. In the short time that I've been hanging around I've come to trust your advice.

[jamyjamjr]

what do you think this whole thread does? You guys all try to stick to your guns about not giving bad advice. Anythime I see anyone say they are 20% or over and planning a cycle everyone on this board jumps down their throat. Do you think all those guys won't see this thread? Every time one of you guys tries to talk someone out of doing a cycle that they shouldn't be doing, you credibility will be hurt by this thread.

jamyjamr, I'm kind of surprised you would start this thread, becuase you are one of the more helpful members on this board. In the short time that I've been hanging around I've come to trust your advice.

first and formost, i appreciate the complement, i try to help out as much as i can


your looking at this in a completely wrong way....

dont commit the crime of associating one mans wrongs to what happens next as he gives advice...

your more then welcome to call me a hypocrite and i have nothing to hide on this forum... yes i made mistakes, everyone has on this forum... no ones perfect.. when we have members who ask about bf and starting gear, im open and honest about how my initial exp was.. but i also explained the risks and the precautions i had taken (ie. nazi diet & training, doc sup, and anc. drugs)... many have no idea what they're doing when they just begin... iv had more then one guy pm me and ask me how i went about doing gear at a higher bf and i always said your best bet is to drop to 15%, just as the more experianced guys out here have told me because, yes, it does make sense... but at the same time, i know people are going to do what they want to do and i want to make the exp as safe as possible for them... so i have no prob sharing my exp in that context

the advice i give out is based upon two things, experiance (which constitutes mistakes,) and kick ass guys out here on the forum that have a wealth of knowledge...

we dont wanna be a sloppy forum that gives shitty advice, we care about our co-members, even though 50% of the time they arn't gonna follow through with our advice...

just the response this thread has brought out shows how many people actually do start gear at a higher bf.... we can learn from it...

if you were to get into an accident, would someone call u a hypocrite when you give out advice that you may have learned through the mistakes you made that caused that accident??? only a fool would...

all in all, you have to look at it at another perspective...

the point of starting this thread is to see where our community REALLY stands with the corelation of bf and the use of gear... and it seems that the advice isn't helping as much as we thought it was....

this doesn't change anything though... im still going to tell people to drop the weight before doing gear.. so are guys like big, t-mos, pt, and almost all the vets on this forum...


if you wanna look at it from a diff angle.. how do you tell a powerlifter to drop to 15%???? those guys are huge and have bf levels well above 15%... BUT THEY CHOSE THAT LIFESTYLE AND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE RISKS THAT COME ALONG WITH IT...

i rest my case.....