so you obama people

[Kratos]

Ron Paul 2012.

I'll take a wild guess that you support Ron Paul because he wants to end US support for Israel.

[tyward]

Well, I support Ron Paul because he wants to end support for everybody. Perhaps they can support themselves while we work our way out of this crisis. T

[Kratos]

Well, I support Ron Paul because he wants to end support for everybody. Perhaps they can support themselves while we work our way out of this crisis. T

I was just expressing my thoughts on buffedguy's motives, cause he cares little about America, his religion is always the agenda for his politics.

[BuffedGuy]

I'll take a wild guess that you support Ron Paul because he wants to end US support for Israel.

Peace be unto you, Kratos.

It is not just about Israel. Israel is just one part. It is the entire philosophy of non-interventionism. I believe that this is what America was founded upon, and I find that my religious belief jives well with that. I also like his economic policy, although admittedly I am a novice when it comes to the economy. (His economic policy also conforms to my religious beliefs...at least what I know of it.)

I was just expressing my thoughts on buffedguy's motives, cause he cares little about America, his religion is always the agenda for his politics.

Caring for the welfare of the people in the land I live in is a part of my religion. We warn our people, just like Moses warned Pharaoh, how Lot warned the people of Sodom, and all of the prophets warned their peoples.

When America wages senseless wars, then those involved earn sin on their hands and harm their *own* souls. So my religion instructs me to try to save my people from that fate, that of Pharaoh--who also oppressed the believers in the land. Pharaoh oppressed the Children of Israel, so Prophet Moses [as] advised him to stop from that. This is because of care and concern not only for the oppressed, but also for the oppressor. Prophet Muhammad [s] advised us to help the oppressed AND the oppressor. The people asked him: "we understand why we should help the oppressed, but how do we help the oppressor???" The Prophet [s] replied by saying: "By stopping him from oppressing." The reason is that he is harming his own soul by oppressing.

So EVEN when we warn our people (the American people) against oppressing in the land, it is for their benefit. As the Quran instructs us to pray: "Our Lord! Make us not a test and trial for the disbelievers." (Quran, 60:5) What this means is that let not the oppressors from amongst the disbelievers have power over us, because this will be a test and trial for them (the disbelievers) and they will then fail and harm their own souls. So to allow an oppressor to oppress harms not only the oppressed but also the oppressor himself. The oppressed is a trial and test for the oppressor, and vice/versa.

America does NOT benefit when it occupies foreign countries. Rather, it brings about much harm to itself, not only in the eyes of God, but even in this worldly sense, i.e. it makes Americans less safe by creating hatred towards Americans, which fuels extremism abroad.

What I am trying to say to you is that my religious orientation does not at all clash with my American identity; rather, I believe that they reconcile with each other quite well. There is no contradiction.