Americans take back hijacked ship

[TexSavant]

So did you hear about the skipper trying to escape, yeah the navy ship should have been on the ball cause when he jumped out he could have gone under water and the navy could have sniped many the pirates before they could have hurt the skipper. Also why havent they sniped the pirates yet, if they had a sniper ready blast them when they come to the opening, no more pirates and guess what skipper has a great chance of survival. Any way Obama is a p*ssy and so the skipper will probably be paid for or die one or the other, Our government is a bunch of idiots, did you hear about Kerry saying I am going to call for senate talks, and Hillary saying she was going to talk to the U.N. riiiigggggghhhhhhht! the U.N. is the biggest joke in history, screw the U.N. when we need help nothing happens but when they say jump we say how high. Stupid liberals, I hope they all die hugging trees.

I hope the Skipper gets away and comes home, I really do but Obama doesnt care at all, so we need to brace ourselves for the skipper to come home in a casket. Thanks alot Liberal morons

While I do not share your contempt for President Obama, I agree with the sentiment you express. Its frustrating to see this happen. What we need to do is send the SEALs in and try to save the guy. And Kill the pirates of course. Maybe if we put them on stakes and line them up on the beach this sh*t won't happen to american ships anymore. I Cant believe we're just hangin out NEGOTIATING WITH PIRATES, while THE FRENCH are Kicking ass and not bothering to take names.

[BuffedGuy]

Hillary saying she was going to talk to the U.N. riiiigggggghhhhhhht! the U.N. is the biggest joke in history, screw the U.N. when we need help nothing happens but when they say jump we say how high. Stupid liberals, I hope they all die hugging trees.

When Iraq invades a country without UN approval, then America uses this as a justification for sanctions and bombing of Iraq. HOW DARE YOU INVADE A COUNTRY, utter the Americans. Yet these same Americans sanction America taking "unilateral action" (i.e. invading countries illegally without UN approval). Hypocrisy at its finest.

Liberal morons

I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.

While I do not share your contempt for President Obama, I agree with the sentiment you express. Its frustrating to see this happen. What we need to do is send the SEALs in and try to save the guy. And Kill the pirates of course. Maybe if we put them on stakes and line them up on the beach this sh*t won't happen to american ships anymore. I Cant believe we're just hangin out NEGOTIATING WITH PIRATES, while THE FRENCH are Kicking ass and not bothering to take names.

Somalia has been through fifteen plus years of anarchy and is in a very dire situation. Western countries have devastated Somalia's fishing industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

And here is a more reliable source about how Somalia's fishing industry is being destroyed:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/il...rag-report.pdf

[MuscleScience]

I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.
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According to my IQ scores which place me in the the top few percentile of the population, I find that most liberals are only liberal because their Harvard East Coast buddies are liberal. Additionally they live in a world not based on reality. They think in terms only how their liberal ivy league Poly Sci or Soc Professor told them living in the mid west or the South makes you an ignorant red neck, that spanking your kids is bad and that being white is somehow bad and that all the pale skin racist should pay for the sins of their fathers. But only at the expense of those of the average middle class. Oh and liberals like to yell at people that label other people only to label them as uneducated when they disagree with there perverse understanding of how the world should work not how it really works. In conclusion I believe this link says it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAxailJPU5Q

[BuffedGuy]

According to my IQ scores which place me in the the top few percentile of the population, I find that most liberals are only liberal because their Harvard East Coast buddies are liberal. Additionally they live in a world not based on reality. They think in terms only how their liberal ivy league Poly Sci or Soc Professor told them living in the mid west or the South makes you an ignorant red neck, that spanking your kids is bad and that being white is somehow bad and that all the pale skin racist should pay for the sins of their fathers. But only at the expense of those of the average middle class. Oh and liberals like to yell at people that label other people only to label them as uneducated when they disagree with there perverse understanding of how the world should work not how it really works. In conclusion I believe this link says it best.

An ivory-tower education usually makes one more progressive thinking. It expands one's mind, and thereby makes it harder to be bigoted.

Said another way: the "hicks" don't get a good university education, and hence are left to fester in their intolerance, bigotry, and simple mindedness.

[MuscleScience]

Said another way: the "hicks" don't get a good university education, and hence are left to fester in their intolerance, bigotry, and simple mindedness.

Thus who fights the wars.

[BuffedGuy]

Thus who fights the wars.

Edit: never mind.

[MuscleScience]

Edit: never mind.

No no no buddy, you cant do that. Come on now you know I can handle it....

Spit it out....

[TexSavant]

An ivory-tower education usually makes one more progressive thinking. It expands one's mind, and thereby makes it harder to be bigoted.

Said another way: the "hicks" don't get a good university education, and hence are left to fester in their intolerance, bigotry, and simple mindedness.

I changed significantly in college, though it was only partially due to the education. Most of it was life experience independent of school. I am a thinker & researcher by nature and I'm committed to the idea of always learning. Most of all, I want to get the right answer with as little regard for rigid political philosophy as humanly possible. A natural result of this is that I have NO RESPECT for political correctness, and deem it a debilitating phenomenon which blinds some from the truth, and attempts to stiffle those who can see it from sharing it. I'm liberal on labor, environmental, and drug policy. I'm one of the few people in this state that doesn't think that same-sex marriage will destroy the country. Though I am concerned about the "slippery-slope" (i.e. polygamy, which is antithetical to the entire history of western culture) But when it comes to foreign policy, I do not believe we can afford to roll the dice on liberal idealism. The world requires ORDER. The United States and our allies have a duty to maintain it. Piracy has long been a capital offense. They are a species of terrorist.

As for Somalia, they have mostly themselves to blame. Somalia is a FAILED, Hell-hole country FIRST and FOREMOST because their political factions would rather kill each other than have civilized elections. They haven't the cultural tool-set to function in modernity. Hence they resemble a medieval feudal state of warlords and their pitifully impoverished servants. The central government fell 19 years ago. Somalia would be better off reverting to a British/Italian colony, seeing as how they can't govern themselves the way a civilized society is expected too. The only real hope they have is to invite UN / western forces in to help maintain order while disarming and perhaps sending their most sophisticated to those Ivory-Tower colleges you talk about so they can learn how to run a proper parliamentary or presidential democracy.
THE CHOICE IS THEIRS, and it is stark. Become a modern society with a successful political model, or wallow in medieval misery.

Think about it : The only truly successful nations on this earth are the ones that have embraced and adopted modernity. It started in the West, but Japan & South Korea are excellent examples of what can be accomplished when people DECIDE they want to have a better country. China is remarkable despite its left-over Maoist instincts. I believe in China. It will be a good thing when they finally come of age, since the world needs TWO Superpowers to regulate this planet.

[sloth9]

I changed significantly in college, though it was only partially due to the education. Most of it was life experience independent of school. I am a thinker & researcher by nature and I'm committed to the idea of always learning. Most of all, I want to get the right answer with as little regard for rigid political philosophy as humanly possible. A natural result of this is that I have NO RESPECT for political correctness, and deem it a debilitating phenomenon which blinds some from the truth, and attempts to stiffle those who can see it from sharing it. I'm liberal on labor, environmental, and drug policy. I'm one of the few people in this state that doesn't think that same-sex marriage will destroy the country. Though I am concerned about the "slippery-slope" (i.e. polygamy, which is antithetical to the entire history of western culture) But when it comes to foreign policy, I do not believe we can afford to roll the dice on liberal idealism. The world requires ORDER. The United States and our allies have a duty to maintain it. Piracy has long been a capital offense. They are a species of terrorist.

As for Somalia, they have mostly themselves to blame. Somalia is a FAILED, Hell-hole country FIRST and FOREMOST because their political factions would rather kill each other than have civilized elections. They haven't the cultural tool-set to function in modernity. Hence they resemble a medieval feudal state of warlords and their pitifully impoverished servants. The central government fell 19 years ago. Somalia would be better off reverting to a British/Italian colony, seeing as how they can't govern themselves the way a civilized society is expected too. The only real hope they have is to invite UN / western forces in to help maintain order while disarming and perhaps sending their most sophisticated to those Ivory-Tower colleges you talk about so they can learn how to run a proper parliamentary or presidential democracy.
THE CHOICE IS THEIRS, and it is stark. Become a modern society with a successful political model, or wallow in medieval misery.

Think about it : The only truly successful nations on this earth are the ones that have embraced and adopted modernity. It started in the West, but Japan & South Korea are excellent examples of what can be accomplished when people DECIDE they want to have a better country. China is remarkable despite its left-over Maoist instincts. I believe in China. It will be a good thing when they finally come of age, since the world needs TWO Superpowers to regulate this planet.

Although I have 2 associate degrees 1 in automotive and one in medical technology and I have 1 bachelor in mechanical engineering built on from the automotive tech degree, I did not let the liberal "ivy league" try to change me, I actually almost failed my composition 1301 because of my "neo con" views. I had to work harder and make sure my points were rock solid, and my writing had to be A+ work in order to get a B this guy was a jerk from the NY and he hated me, but I pulled a B and later got it an A because I took my case to the president at school. The thing is you guys make a good point, but because I am so strong in my views and I am very opinionated I had to work very hard in school to pull some good grades. I do not feel "neo cons" are dumb we are the ones who fight the wars, and work the jobs that built America. Just like me I have been working in power plants for a couple of years now and were would liberals be without people like me who keep the power coming to your tree hugging lives and houses. For the most part Buffed guys comments make no sense, all the northern states are losing people everyday because of Ivy league liberals taxes, and ideas. People are coming down to the southern states to leave liberals and their rediculous taxes. Anyway I do not feel the need to back up every view I have on a forum we are not all doctors and refined ivy league people. you may pm on any more ideas or thoughts I will not flame you on these topics but I can go head to head with ya, or we can start a new thread on it.

Now back to the Pirates, Americas policy is no negotiation with terrorist's these pirates are terrorist's and need to die. See I bet Obama will kiss their butts and give them the money, yes the family wants the skipper home, but I bet the Skipper doesnt want to live so bad that America bows down to scum like them. He is ex-military so he has pride, and know the drill. They do need to take these pirates out asap, before more come and then it involves more countries' hostages, if America moves once the pirate reinforcements get there it could put more at risk. I feel Obama is making some serious mistakes here and if the pirates get away with or kill the Skipper -Phillips that will be a huge negative effect to Obama's crew. But it is not a surprising one because this is the stance liberals take, no war and violence and we can talk it out. Look at Carter, he thought he was doing good and the Iranians laughed at him and gave him a cell phone saying we will call you when we make a decision. I bet he still carries that cell phone around thinking it could happen. America wil get tired of Obama and there will be another 12 years at least of Conservatives in office. The problem is that we need a whole new government entity, alot of republicans are corrupt and most of the Dems are too, see republicans can be liberal too.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Got the captain back...good news.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/piracy

[Kratos]

Somalia has been through fifteen plus years of anarchy and is in a very dire situation. Western countries have devastated Somalia's fishing industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

And here is a more reliable source about how Somalia's fishing industry is being destroyed:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/il...rag-report.pdf

Do you even read your own links? Or just spout off Amercan and western hate then hope nobody will look? There is a table of contens, it doesn't take long. Here, I'll quote for you the section on unregulated fishing's impact. Hmm, doesn't seem to me like the West are the ones doing the poaching.

4.1.1.4. East Africa
Moving to the Indian Ocean, east African countries appear to suffer from IUU fishing
of many resources including shrimp, but here tuna is of greater importance. Some of
this IUU is from border-hopping activities – such as the reported IUU fishing by
Kenyan shrimp trawlers in Somali waters – and some of it is DWFN activity, such as
the Taiwanese longline activity in Tanzanian waters that in 2001 we estimate to have
been worth about $20m (Annex A). Recent reports is that this has been brought
under control by Tanzanian authorities, through improved licensing schemes, but this
has yet to be validated and there are other aspects of IUU in Tanzanian waters that
would bear scrutiny, such as possible underreporting by DWFN under access
agreements. As with the situation in Sierra Leone, the rampant IUU activity (tuna and
shrimp) in Somali waters is caused by low MCS capability but most importantly weak
regulatory structures and corruption 94brought on by the recent protracted civil war.

As for your other youtube video blaming nuclear waste for destruction of fishing industry and the west making them sick...that asshole isn't exactly telling the whole story either, is he? Just the exciting part he wants you to hear, all while criticizing the news for doing the same.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle418665.ece

"Local warlords, many of them former ministers in Siad Barre’s last government, received large payments from Swiss and Italian firms for access to their respective fiefdoms"

"contracts signed by the two companies and representatives of the then “President” — Ali Mahdi Mohamed — to accept 10 million tonnes of toxic waste in exchange for $80 million (then about £60 million)."


Why not blame the people who sold the rights to the waters when you can blame the West? There must be a better place for you to go hate America then here.

[RA]

When Iraq invades a country without UN approval, then America uses this as a justification for sanctions and bombing of Iraq. HOW DARE YOU INVADE A COUNTRY, utter the Americans. Yet these same Americans sanction America taking "unilateral action" (i.e. invading countries illegally without UN approval). Hypocrisy at its finest.



I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.

Actually we were backing up a un resolution by invading Iraq..

Yes, the old liberal montra. We are the smart, educated ones and anyone that doesnt think like us must be a idiot. Anymore it cracks me up. Especially when you look at liberal policies that never work for the benefit of the US. Liberals base there success on intentions, not outcome.

[BgMc31]

Actually we were backing up a un resolution by invading Iraq..

Yes, the old liberal montra. We are the smart, educated ones and anyone that doesnt think like us must be a idiot. Anymore it cracks me up. Especially when you look at liberal policies that never work for the benefit of the US. Liberals base there success on intentions, not outcome.

Funny how many of your conservatives stoop to liberal bashing. But let's face it, BOTH liberal and conservative policies have FVCKED up this country. When we had a conservative government (most of Bush's tenure) there was bad policy after bad policy. Now with Obama and an all-liberal government there are many policies that could potentially ruin the country. And I'm a huge Obama supporter. I'm just more willing to give the guy more than 90days to make my assessment.

Also strange how no one pointed out that Obama gave the go ahead for this military action. Conservatives are always whining that he won't protect Americans, his actions here proved otherwise. But now the conservatives are saying he waited about announcing this because he's a political opportunist and that if this would have gone badly, the 'mainstream' media would have pushed it under the rug. So no matter what the man does, he won't garner conservative support, so I admire him for sticking to his guns. Bush did the same thing while he was president. He knew he wouldn't get any support from liberals, but he didn't give a fvck as long as he had support from his conservative supporters.

[RA]

I wasnt really liberal bashing...just responding to an earlier post.

The biggest problem I had with Bush is he wasnt a true conservative. We havent had one since Reagan.

Im just looking at what Obama is proposing and an totally against most of it. I dont dislike the guy..just his policies. From over the top spending to universal healthcare. Like I pointed out, we have govt run healthcare in the military. I have several family members in the military and their healthcare sucks.

I do like the fact that Obama ordered the seals to go in. He gets props for that for sure.

Funny how many of your conservatives stoop to liberal bashing. But let's face it, BOTH liberal and conservative policies have FVCKED up this country. When we had a conservative government (most of Bush's tenure) there was bad policy after bad policy. Now with Obama and an all-liberal government there are many policies that could potentially ruin the country. And I'm a huge Obama supporter. I'm just more willing to give the guy more than 90days to make my assessment.

Also strange how no one pointed out that Obama gave the go ahead for this military action. Conservatives are always whining that he won't protect Americans, his actions here proved otherwise. But now the conservatives are saying he waited about announcing this because he's a political opportunist and that if this would have gone badly, the 'mainstream' media would have pushed it under the rug. So no matter what the man does, he won't garner conservative support, so I admire him for sticking to his guns. Bush did the same thing while he was president. He knew he wouldn't get any support from liberals, but he didn't give a fvck as long as he had support from his conservative supporters.

[SMCengineer]

The biggest problem I had with Bush is he wasnt a true conservative. We havent had one since Reagan.

I would argue since Grover Cleveland. Reagan spoke of small government, but expanded it exponentially. Strictly cutting taxes is not conservatism.

[RA]

lol, I saw you lurking...I knew you would disagree with something I said

Theres only so much you can do with a dem controlled congress. But he was far far more conservative than Bush Sr and Jr.

I would argue since Grover Cleveland. Reagan spoke of small government, but expanded it exponentially. Strictly cutting taxes is not conservatism.

[sloth9]

Like I pointed out, we have govt run healthcare in the military. I have several family members in the military and their healthcare sucks.

I can personally back up this statement,it was like the healthcare i received while in the military was running 25 years behind the times and that includes the skill level of the surgeons, i finally had enough of the incompetence and went into a civy hospital with a civy surgeon and it was like night and day.

See I always compare the govt. run healthcare to the post office, if you hate your job and make over 40,000 a year then you work for the post office. These people here treat you like crap I actually had to tell a post master to shut up and do his job, because he was whining about manually entering 6 different packages in their computer instead of him scanning some sticker that i could print off my computer, if I wanted to spend money on the stickers and printer ink, I told him your shipping already cost enough as it is why should I pay more so your job is easier? I then told him how much do you make, 18 an hour? Why dont you shut up and do your job, and after that get me your boss. He said I am the post master. I said so you make 25-30 an hour and your whining about using a computer, try working on a fa steam turbine for 12 hours a day, and shut the hell up until you do some real work. well he kicked me out, lol and I went to the main office around here and talked to the post master there, he is the one over all the offices in this city, well needless to say no more lip from capt. jack off. This is the whole reason I dont want the govt. running anything that is going to give me medicine or cut me open.

Funny how many of your conservatives stoop to liberal bashing. But let's face it, BOTH liberal and conservative policies have FVCKED up this country. When we had a conservative government (most of Bush's tenure) there was bad policy after bad policy. Now with Obama and an all-liberal government there are many policies that could potentially ruin the country. And I'm a huge Obama supporter. I'm just more willing to give the guy more than 90days to make my assessment.

Also strange how no one pointed out that Obama gave the go ahead for this military action. Conservatives are always whining that he won't protect Americans, his actions here proved otherwise. But now the conservatives are saying he waited about announcing this because he's a political opportunist and that if this would have gone badly, the 'mainstream' media would have pushed it under the rug. So no matter what the man does, he won't garner conservative support, so I admire him for sticking to his guns. Bush did the same thing while he was president. He knew he wouldn't get any support from liberals, but he didn't give a fvck as long as he had support from his conservative supporters.

Obama gave the go ahead if imminent danger occurred, the seals made sure that it was imminent danger. I am not trying to put a play on words but the military did. Obama should have moved faster, but he could have said no and we would still be following. like I said I dont like Obama I cant give him full credit for the rescue it was the military who played the words and made it happen. To your both parties had screwed up the country that is true, that is why I have been talking about a government change we need new politicians, But for the most part liberal policies have caused people to lose their homes leave their states due to high taxes and now alot of companies are opening up here in Texas to get away from high taxes, and unions. Truthfully liberal policies cannot be changed easily, and for the mostpart cause more grief in the public, than helping the public. Truthfully though you cant change our minds, and we probably cant change your mind either, we can bash Obama all day it is our freedoms that we are exercising, because you anti-american liberals bashed on Bush, Bush Jr., and Reagan, so get over it.

[BgMc31]

See I always compare the govt. run healthcare to the post office, if you hate your job and make over 40,000 a year then you work for the post office. These people here treat you like crap I actually had to tell a post master to shut up and do his job, because he was whining about manually entering 6 different packages in their computer instead of him scanning some sticker that i could print off my computer, if I wanted to spend money on the stickers and printer ink, I told him your shipping already cost enough as it is why should I pay more so your job is easier? I then told him how much do you make, 18 an hour? Why dont you shut up and do your job, and after that get me your boss. He said I am the post master. I said so you make 25-30 an hour and your whining about using a computer, try working on a fa steam turbine for 12 hours a day, and shut the hell up until you do some real work. well he kicked me out, lol and I went to the main office around here and talked to the post master there, he is the one over all the offices in this city, well needless to say no more lip from capt. jack off. This is the whole reason I dont want the govt. running anything that is going to give me medicine or cut me open.



Obama gave the go ahead if imminent danger occurred, the seals made sure that it was imminent danger. I am not trying to put a play on words but the military did. Obama should have moved faster, but he could have said no and we would still be following. like I said I dont like Obama I cant give him full credit for the rescue it was the military who played the words and made it happen. To your both parties had screwed up the country that is true, that is why I have been talking about a government change we need new politicians, But for the most part liberal policies have caused people to lose their homes leave their states due to high taxes and now alot of companies are opening up here in Texas to get away from high taxes, and unions. Truthfully liberal policies cannot be changed easily, and for the mostpart cause more grief in the public, than helping the public. Truthfully though you cant change our minds, and we probably cant change your mind either, we can bash Obama all day it is our freedoms that we are exercising, because you anti-american liberals bashed on Bush, Bush Jr., and Reagan, so get over it.

Utterly ridiculous statement!!! Conservatives always stoop to that bullshit rhetoric. Just because we can not only see America's greatness and also America's shortcomings, we are considered anti-american. I could guarantee that many that you call anti-american have deeper roots in this country than people like you. That statement was definately uncalled for!!

[sloth9]

Utterly ridiculous statement!!! Conservatives always stoop to that bullshit rhetoric. Just because we can not only see America's greatness and also America's shortcomings, we are considered anti-american. I could guarantee that many that you call anti-american have deeper roots in this country than people like you. That statement was definately uncalled for!!

Get over it, that was not an uncalled for statement, your people are destroying our countries' morals, and basic values, I have no more respect for liberals and it obviously got your blood boiling because part of it is true. Huh? I must have struck a nerve. I have some pretty deep roots in America, Most of my family is from Germany, but the otherside is from the colonial days, I have record's of my family starting in the old west, I have records from family going as far back as the original colonies, you want to talk deep we can talk deep. See you are basically the same bs liberal spouting off the same crap the media preaches. You have the right to sit and bash conservatives, and Bush and any other republican, but when a conservative comes into play and starts calling you out, you get defensive and start crying "you mean conservatives are always picking on us". American Greatness you liberals want america to be a socialist nation and to bring america to its knees. Liberals are a joke and a disappointment to America, but you know what its you right and freedom to vocalize how you feel and what you believe, I agree we all deserve this and would die for that right for either side. Now you need to sit down and shut up with all your conservative bashing unless you can stop getting so defensive when we bash Anti-American liberals. Anyway if you come to this forum you need to leave your feelings at the door, because in a political environment you cant wear your feelings on your shoulder.

[MuscleScience]

Utterly ridiculous statement!!! Conservatives always stoop to that bullshit rhetoric. Just because we can not only see America's greatness and also America's shortcomings, we are considered anti-american. I could guarantee that many that you call anti-american have deeper roots in this country than people like you. That statement was definately uncalled for!!

I think the most idiotic thing we as Americans do is label ourselves as polar opposites. Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative, Right Wing or Left Wing. I mean seriously don't be a sheep to the two party system. Then we go on to blame the other side for the short comings of our inept political quagmire.

Not Picking on you specifically BgMC31, just this whole idiotic draw a line in the sand mentality we have in our political system. I can say with certainty that
the American people are more diverse than Blue state vs Red state.

[thegodfather]

Actually we were backing up a un resolution by invading Iraq..

Yes, the old liberal montra. We are the smart, educated ones and anyone that doesnt think like us must be a idiot. Anymore it cracks me up. Especially when you look at liberal policies that never work for the benefit of the US. Liberals base there success on intentions, not outcome.

Why should we let our foreign policy be dictated by a foreign organization? Adhering to UN mandates only serves to further erode the sovereignty of the United States, and quells the voice and desires of the American people to have a say in what their government does.

A "true" conservative like you are claiming to be, respects constitutional doctrines, and would only advocate going to war on a declaration by Congress, the representatives closest to the people, and most apt to know what they want or what is in their best interests. In this case, you seem to suggest that the UN knew what was best for us, or that one person(POTUS) knew what was best for us, and was allowed to make that decision. In either case I dont see how EITHER justification adheres to conservative ideology.

[RA]

I agree. I wouldnt give two squirts of piss for the un. Just responding the buff when he said we went in without un approval. IMO, we should kick them out of our country. Its just a huge anti-american organization.

Why should we let our foreign policy be dictated by a foreign organization? Adhering to UN mandates only serves to further erode the sovereignty of the United States, and quells the voice and desires of the American people to have a say in what their government does.

A "true" conservative like you are claiming to be, respects constitutional doctrines, and would only advocate going to war on a declaration by Congress, the representatives closest to the people, and most apt to know what they want or what is in their best interests. In this case, you seem to suggest that the UN knew what was best for us, or that one person(POTUS) knew what was best for us, and was allowed to make that decision. In either case I dont see how EITHER justification adheres to conservative ideology.

[PT]

When Iraq invades a country without UN approval, then America uses this as a justification for sanctions and bombing of Iraq. HOW DARE YOU INVADE A COUNTRY, utter the Americans. Yet these same Americans sanction America taking "unilateral action" (i.e. invading countries illegally without UN approval). Hypocrisy at its finest.



I have found that the liberals are usually the educated ones from the prestigious schools of the nation, whereas the neo-cons are the dumber ones. The neo-cons have a simplistic understanding: "let's go destroy them all, and then let God sort it out"...whereas liberals give nuanced and balanced (educated) answers.



Somalia has been through fifteen plus years of anarchy and is in a very dire situation. Western countries have devastated Somalia's fishing industry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjreRSFNLTI

And here is a more reliable source about how Somalia's fishing industry is being destroyed:

http://www.dfid.gov.uk/pubs/files/il...rag-report.pdf

you do realize you are american right? sometimes it seems like you have forgotten that. my advice to you is to move to the middle east or better yet somalia since you seem to be so anti-american and see how those animals treat you

[BuffedGuy]

Peace be unto you, PT.

you do realize you are american right? sometimes it seems like you have forgotten that. my advice to you is to move to the middle east or better yet somalia since you seem to be so anti-american and see how those animals treat you

I am very much American. I am simply strongly opposed to the war-mongering foreign policy, which I believe is 100% un-American. Our Founding Fathers (including George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, etc.) founded this country on the principle of non-interventionism. As Thomas Jefferson said in his inaugural address: "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling al.liance's with none." So what I call for is a return to what America was founded upon.

So who then is being anti-American? The one who upholds the beliefs that this country was founded upon, or the one who goes 100% against them?

Lastly, I think you really should reflect on the underlined part above. Are you implying that Middle Easterners and/or Somalians are "animals"? Do you realize how racist and bigoted that is? This is very much like how the whites used to tell blacks in the 1950s: "Stop complaining about America, and go back to Africa and see how those animals treat you."

Seriously bro, think on it. I am not trying to bash you here, but actually trying to get you to think, God-Willing.

With regards to this particular issue of Somalia, I do agree that America had the absolute right to strike back and recover its citizen. No doubt about that.

More to come, God-Willing.