Alright I've done my research but still some questions if you will Please!

[jab1234]

LOL, i can see this is going to be hard work, but i aint too busy today.
Believe me, you will know if the tren is working, so that part is sorted.

hCG, yes that statement is correct, but it has absolutely nothing to do with HPTA suppression, so taking hCG throught you're cycle will not cause less suppression of the HPTA, it will only stimulate the leydig cells in the testes to start producing testosterone.

haha thanks for the help...it's a lot of information to disseminate when reading through all of stickies and threads.

ok so point is clear, test will be taken with the tren.

As far as HPTA suppression post cycle, then I'm assuming I should also add clomid (100mg/ed, 3 weeks) as Nolva does not directly effect this?

Would arimidex be recommended during the cycle as well?

[LATS60]

haha thanks for the help...it's a lot of information to disseminate when reading through all of stickies and threads.

ok so point is clear, test will be taken with the tren.

As far as HPTA suppression post cycle, then I'm assuming I should also add clomid (100mg/ed, 3 weeks) as Nolva does not directly effect this?

Would arimidex be recommended during the cycle as well?

Clomid, yes but no need for 100mg for 3wks, just the first wk at 100mg is enough to raise LH and FSH by as much as 50%.
You will need nolva also, as the point of these serms is to block estrogen receptors in the HPTA to fool it to tell the pituitary to start producing it's own LH and FSH.

Adex can be run at a low dose throught the cycle if you are concerned about bloat and gyno issues, but i wouldn't run it just because, i'd use it if needed.

[jab1234]

Clomid, yes but no need for 100mg for 3wks, just the first wk at 100mg is enough to raise LH and FSH by as much as 50%.
You will need nolva also, as the point of these serms is to block estrogen receptors in the HPTA to fool it to tell the pituitary to start producing it's own LH and FSH.

Adex can be run at a low dose throught the cycle if you are concerned about bloat and gyno issues, but i wouldn't run it just because, i'd use it if needed.

gyno isn't a pre-existing issue with me, but I am worried about bloat. I'm already pretty lean as it is, so holding water in my face is noticeable and wouldn't go over well at work...

So just to clarify are you saying only take clomid at 100mg/ed for one week, or to step down the dosage the following two weeks? Something more like 100/50/50?

Would 100mg/week of test just be a waste of time stacked along side the tren? If so what minimum level would you recommend?

Maybe I should've posted this in my original post, but my goal is to pack on quality lean muscle and not blow up like a fish and throw on 20-25 lbs of which is a lot of water weight. Moderate gains are what I'm looking for, hence the low dosage questions of test. And yes I understand that there are a lot of other AAS i can take that would be better suited for my goals, but I have friends that swear by tren and I wanted to give it a go.

[LATS60]

gyno isn't a pre-existing issue with me, but I am worried about bloat. I'm already pretty lean as it is, so holding water in my face is noticeable and wouldn't go over well at work...

So just to clarify are you saying only take clomid at 100mg/ed for one week, or to step down the dosage the following two weeks? Something more like 100/50/50?

Would 100mg/week of test just be a waste of time stacked along side the tren? If so what minimum level would you recommend?

Maybe I should've posted this in my original post, but my goal is to pack on quality lean muscle and not blow up like a fish and throw on 20-25 lbs of which is a lot of water weight. Moderate gains are what I'm looking for, hence the low dosage questions of test. And yes I understand that there are a lot of other AAS i can take that would be better suited for my goals, but I have friends that swear by tren and I wanted to give it a go.

Should have made that clear mate, here;s the protocol i'd recommend.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I'd up the test to 250mg wk min. as you have experience, this shouldn't cause much bloat ( keep diet clean, low salt, lots of water ).
What ester is you're tren?

[jab1234]

Should have made that clear mate, here;s the protocol i'd recommend.
Clomid 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

I'd up the test to 250mg wk min. as you have experience, this shouldn't cause much bloat ( keep diet clean, low salt, lots of water ).
What ester is you're tren?

HexaHydroBencyl Carbonate Ester....its supposed to be from your country of location from the "dragon" company...(I didn't want to come out and state the specific company)

I don't want to end all AAS at the same time so I'm thinking to run the test a few more weeks after the tren is complete then start the pct 14 days after last test inject...sound about right?

Thanks again for the sound advice...I have a couple more months until I start up so I'll be sure to get everything in hand prior to starting

[LATS60]

HexaHydroBencyl Carbonate Ester....its supposed to be from your country of location from the "dragon" company...(I didn't want to come out and state the specific company)

I don't want to end all AAS at the same time so I'm thinking to run the test a few more weeks after the tren is complete then start the pct 14 days after last test inject...sound about right?

Thanks again for the sound advice...I have a couple more months until I start up so I'll be sure to get everything in hand prior to starting

Ah, yea i know the stuff well.
Sounds fine on the PCT start time mate.

[jab1234]

Ah, yea i know the stuff well.
Sounds fine on the PCT start time mate.

Now the tough part is not getting started too early!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!