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    2nd cycle NOT a good idea to go with tren !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-MOS View Post
    2nd cycle NOT a good idea to go with tren !!!
    Yeah, I have heard that, no one has really ever given me a good reason why. I know the sides, I don't see why they would be any different whether this was my 2nd cycle or my 5th. But I welcome a good explanation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by illwillogical View Post
    Yeah, I have heard that, no one has really ever given me a good reason why. I know the sides, I don't see why they would be any different whether this was my 2nd cycle or my 5th. But I welcome a good explanation.
    The difference between your second cylce, and 5th is EXPERIENCE
    you need to build up to Tren since it has the HARSHEST sides

    by using deca first, you will see how your body reacts to a stronger compound, see how you deal with it, then build from that knowledge

    if you start with tren , you may have NO clue how bad the sides will be for you, so you may get them so bad that you have to stop the cycle, as MANY have done

    by waiting , you learn and then become better able to deal with stronger sides and knowing what to expect, and knowing what you need to do to handle them

    but its your body, at least you are starting with Tren A.

    If you have some prop, i would use it to kickstart with the test E

    although I think you are FINE to start both at same time as even though your blood levels wont' build up for several weeks, there should be enough Test in your system to cover what you lose from being shut down

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-MOS View Post
    The difference between your second cylce, and 5th is EXPERIENCE
    you need to build up to Tren since it has the HARSHEST sides

    by using deca first, you will see how your body reacts to a stronger compound, see how you deal with it, then build from that knowledge

    if you start with tren , you may have NO clue how bad the sides will be for you, so you may get them so bad that you have to stop the cycle, as MANY have done

    by waiting , you learn and then become better able to deal with stronger sides and knowing what to expect, and knowing what you need to do to handle them

    but its your body, at least you are starting with Tren A.

    If you have some prop, i would use it to kickstart with the test E

    although I think you are FINE to start both at same time as even though your blood levels wont' build up for several weeks, there should be enough Test in your system to cover what you lose from being shut down
    I have 2000mg of prop how would you consider kickstarting? 50mg a day in addition to the Test E?

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    Quote Originally Posted by illwillogical View Post
    I have 2000mg of prop how would you consider kickstarting? 50mg a day in addition to the Test E?
    Yep, that sounds good to me

    but again, I still dont' recommend using Tren YET

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    Quote Originally Posted by T-MOS View Post
    The difference between your second cylce, and 5th is EXPERIENCE
    you need to build up to Tren since it has the HARSHEST sides

    by using deca first, you will see how your body reacts to a stronger compound, see how you deal with it, then build from that knowledge

    if you start with tren , you may have NO clue how bad the sides will be for you, so you may get them so bad that you have to stop the cycle, as MANY have done

    by waiting , you learn and then become better able to deal with stronger sides and knowing what to expect, and knowing what you need to do to handle them

    but its your body, at least you are starting with Tren A.

    If you have some prop, i would use it to kickstart with the test E

    although I think you are FINE to start both at same time as even though your blood levels wont' build up for several weeks, there should be enough Test in your system to cover what you lose from being shut down
    i see where your coming from T but shouldent everyone expect/prepare for the worst going into a cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laduem88 View Post
    i see where your coming from T but shouldent everyone expect/prepare for the worst going into a cycle?
    YEP, and thats why if he has the prop, i would use it for the first two or three weeks , as I stated !!!

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    Save it for down the road when you don't respond as well to the cheap and affective drugs that are readily available. At this point it wouldn't matter if you ran low dose test/deca or test/tren, the muscle you gain would probably be the same. You arn't 40lbs of shredded muscle over your natural limit. Save it for when you need something more potent from your arsenal.

    Are you going to hammering your glutes/quads for the 5-6 weeks your on tren A? You should rotate injection sites if you do ED injects (IMO).

    You have no experience with a 19-nor, a progestin, what are you going to use to block progesterone type sides? You have 0 experience with a progestin and you're going for the most hardcore one.

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