critique my brothers next cycle

[fresh31]

his stats are
age:29
height:5'10
weight:215
bf:16%
cycle experience 3 (first two were very stupid imo...third one was decent and he changed up his diet so he got some good gains)

This is what he's looking at, i've never used tren and am not that knowledgeable with it.

Weeks 1-10: Test Cyp 250mg/e3.5d
Weeks 1-5 : Tren E 200mg/e3.5d
Weeks 8-12: Winny 100mg/ed (oral)

PCT: (after last winny tab)
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50

[busaboy27]

tren got alot of side effects. only 5 weeks of that is to short imo. u need cabergoline when on and other stuff. better do some research on that.. if he is mpb better call a wig guy... hcg? arimidex? bf is a little high... get a diet first.. i dont like that cycle at all....

[CHUCKYthentic]

tren e at 5 weeks is worthless
needs to do tren a before tren e, but either way he is not ready for tren, so he should just forget about it
pct needs and AI unless he opts to run adex on cycle

[CHUCKYthentic]

what are his goals for this cycle?

[fresh31]

his diet's good, he's not getting on with that bf, thats just what he's at now. he's bald already (man in my family either keep all the hair or are bald by mid to late 20s lol) i was thinking he should go 8 weeks with the tren but like i said i don't have experience with it personally.

[fresh31]

goals are to cut.

[busaboy27]

tren a is shorter ester.. shot ed or eod so if he cant take the side effects he can get off and they will just stop.. tren e is long ester.. so if he wants to stop the sides its gonna take awhile.

[busaboy27]

winny does not burn fat.. tren does but people will argue that one.. cyp is gonna put water weight on him from what i notice. longer esters seem to do that.. just imo im sure when some of the veterans chime in her there gonna say get on the diet and get that straight before anything.

[fresh31]

heh that much i know, i think his decision of tren e over tren a was being able to pin every 3.5 days as opposed to ed or eod. he doesn't really get any sides off of what he's used so far (except acne) but this would be his first run with tren

[CHUCKYthentic]

tren a is shorter ester.. shot ed or eod so if he cant take the side effects he can get off and they will just stop.. tren e is long ester.. so if he wants to stop the sides its gonna take awhile.

very true

also OP, if he wants to go 8 weeks with tren, then acetate would be best. but like i said, hes not ready for tren

what he takes and his results will depend on his diet and training, not the compounds

[fresh31]

im big into diet as well, his diet's not perfect but its pretty darn good, he's dropped about 7% bf since getting on it.

[CHUCKYthentic]

well winny would be worthless unless your 10% bf or less IMO
not experienced enough for tren

i only want to suggest a test only cycle....maybe, maybe deca. maybe EQ if he is willing to extend the cycle

[busaboy27]

my sides with tren was.. crazy dreams. insomnia. horrible cold sweats at night. messes with your thyroid. prolactin problems.. tren cough which i didnt get. just couldn't do cardio or bang a girl for more than ten minutes without taking a break. and a super bad temper..

[busaboy27]

maybe some primo or masteron? wait what am i talking about.. get him in the diet section. lol

[fresh31]

ok not trying to say you're wrong, (because i dont know much about tren) but on what basis is he not ready for it? I agree with the winny but he has his mind set on using it. btw his first cycle was deca only(STUPID imo) second i forgot, his third one was test c 600mg/wk 14wks, 50mg dbol/ed weeks 1-5 and i think he also took deca 400mg/wk (he finally learned something)

[fresh31]

maybe some primo or masteron? wait what am i talking about.. get him in the diet section. lol

his diet is good to go lol, our diets are identical, and i must be doing something right, at 5'6 203 lbs 11% bf(maybe a tad higher when i checked bf i was on week 5 of cycle and at 198 lbs, im on week 9 now) my cycle is very light because i like to see how i react to things first

[CHUCKYthentic]

i dont think he is experienced enough for tren quite yet, maybe one more cycle at least.

like busa said, tren acetate needs to be the 1st one run because if you can handle the sides you can drop it and be ok in 2 days as opposed to nearly 2 weeks with tren e

[busaboy27]

well he is gonna do what he wants no matter what im assuming.. that being said atleast try the acetate first.... he wants to do tren but never done it but wants to jump to enanthate cause he dont want to pin himself.. well he should take the good with the bad and make himself a pin cushion with the tren a. do a search on tren cycles.. its a great steroid but look at some peoples replies and u will see that several people got off of it cause it was to much for them to handle.. or they said they will never do it again... other people like myself love it. me personally.. i think its the lamborghini of steroids. if my hair didnt jump off my head screaming like it does when im on it i would do it again

[fresh31]

yeah he's pretty much knows what he wants to do im just trying adjust it so that he still does what he wants just closer to the right way, i already convinced him to drop to 14% bf before doing the cycle

[busaboy27]

well i think the winny would be a waste..
run the test cyp.. i like enanthate better.. seeing he got a little body fat. side effects come easier. gyno and so on.
test. 1-12?
tren a. weeks 1-6?8?
tren e. 1-10
if he is gonna do tren e maybe want to get something to jump start 1-4

this is just my opinion so....

[fresh31]

i think i can get him to switch to tren ace, but what else should he take with it? im thinking about telling him to drop to 250mg test/wk to keep test in his system and not retain water.

[CHUCKYthentic]

keep it at 500mg/week and run some adex while on cycle, thall keep water off

if he goes with tren a, have him get some caber to have on hand

thats what i suggest

[busaboy27]

http://www.steroid.com/Trenbolone-Acetate.php take a look.. u can take other stuff for the water problem.. that is pretty low test.. maybe more like 500 a week.. also low test- tren gives u fina dick..

[fresh31]

.5 adex a day for all 12 weeks or keep it on through the pct aswell?

[busaboy27]

u can run it on up until you take your shot hcg.. stay off till u start your pct... i think thats right?

[CHUCKYthentic]

.25mg or .5 eod not every day... every day would be over kill

start with .25 eod, if that dont do the trick up it to .5 eod

[CHUCKYthentic]

run adex up to pct then stop, no need for an AI if you were controlling estro levels on cycle

[fresh31]

ok sounds, good. thanks for all the help guys, its greatly appreciated. I'm off to bed, got to sleep big to get big lol.
il see what i can get my brother to do or not do

[CHUCKYthentic]

keep us updated man, peace

[fresh31]

will do man, take care

[SnaX]

my sides with tren was.. crazy dreams. insomnia. horrible cold sweats at night..

Yeah been there too, so I hopped off.

Fresh31:
On the topic of the compounds, it sounds like you are battling too much with the advice you are receiving. Are we not what you want to hear?

I agree with my bro's on this one. He is not ready for Tren, on more than one level.
You said his first two cycles were "stupid" and his last one was "decent", basically stating that he has one semi-good cycle. And now he wants to run Tren. = No way!

I see he wants to run Test Cyp. It is possible to cut on a long ester such as Cyp or Enanthate. I personally did a lean bulk with Cyp, and it turned out nicely without any orals or other compounds.
And yeah, long esters have a better chance of water retention and other sides.

..There are a number of options (But one thing for sure, cut the tren out.)

So lets "refreshify":
He wants to cut down...

He can:
1.)Use a single long ester and try to cut/lean bulk to a more lean appearance.
[Less shots needed, no pain, but may suffer more water retention and sides]
2.)Use a single short ester and cut with less possibility of water retention.
[more frequent shots, and more painful injections]


Now, the possibility of Orals come into play:

At 14%, any oral compound used for cutting(winny) will most likely not work out for him. So save your money.

So a possible alternative, if any:
Is possibly, stacking with something OTHER than Tren.


So, pick a Short Test or a Long Test, and maybe Masteron. The rest is up to you all. I am so tired right now, it seems things are dragging on forever.


I'll check up on this thread after a nap.

Take care bros!