Thank you for your reply, I was really excited when all the gear got into town but its just doesnt seem as potent as some other stuff I have done. The other stuff was Vet grade. I bought some PHARMA GROUP deca 250, Dbol 100, and Test P. I started the deca and test at first and the test made me feel like ASS so i just threw it away. But i've also talked to people who love it. maybe im just to young or sensitive. What do you guys think?