Hot Bulking Cycle????

[juicedindianaboy]

Whats up guys? Just got off a winny cycle and loved it!!! Just looking for some ideas on some good bulking cycles any of you have used lately. Going to run one through summertime, so one that doesn't hold a TON of water. Thx

[Reed]

Well give me some stats and I'll think of something for you?

Age
Height
Weight
Bf%
Training experience
PCT knowledge

[Phate]

Well give me some stats and I'll think of something for you?

Age
Height
Weight
Bf%
Training experience
PCT knowledge

somebody's in a good mood

[Reed]

somebody's in a good mood

Yes I guess you could say that.

I got this planned out already

[juicedindianaboy]

26
5"11
184
9.7%
9 yrs and 2nd cycle
always used clomid and nolv with some hcg thrown in there

[T-MOS]

what was the 2 cycles you did , doses, how long, and what were the PCT's for both

How long have you been off the winny cycle? was it winny alone?

[Reed]

Well first let me welcome you to AR.

I'd say winny only was a poor choice for a cycle.

Lets start you off with some reading.

Here is the link that you can find all the info you need to learn: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=368656


You are light for your height and age, especially after two cycles. Seems you may need someone to help tweak your diet and possibly your training program in order to grow more. Thats the goal right, bulking cycle. If you are set on it I'd recommend a test/oral cycle (test and maybe winny again) but before that I'd get a diet in order cause without that you will be spinning your wheels

[juicedindianaboy]

test e 400wk for 10 wks, 3 yrs ago
nolv 40-20-20-20
clomid 100-50-50-50
hcg 2 5000 iu

winny i did alone for 6 weeks, read lots and lots about not needing a pct after a short winny cycle.

been off winny for 2 weeks

184 is when i came off dieting my ass off, i walk around at 200+ usually

[Reed]

Winstrol will shut you down. Where did you read this??

what were your doses

[juicedindianaboy]

100 mg day
Dont think we can put in what website this came from:::::

There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain.

[Phate]

100 mg day
Dont think we can put in what website this came from:::::

There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain.

this statement is false, he's right that it doesn't aromatize MUCH(even though it still does), but pct isn't for the aromatization effects(that means the estrogen sides caused by conversion of test to estrogen by the aromatase enzyme), pct is to get your suppressed testosterone levels back to normal

[WARMachine]

100 mg day
Dont think we can put in what website this came from:::::

There is no need for an anti-estrogen as Winny may have such a property of its own and does not aromatize at any rate. The only counter-indication with Winny would perhaps be an anti-hypertensive if you use for a longer stack. Be sure to get liver values checked if you use for longer than 6 weeks on end. There is no real use for Clomid or Nolva post-cycle for Winny specifically since there is no post-cycle aromatisation to cause negative feedback. That makes whatever gains you made on Winny quite easy to maintain.

I dont know where you got that from, but its completely wrong...
"
As with 99% of steroids, however, it´s important to note that suppression of your natural hormonal levels will occur (though perhaps not to the extent that it will with many other steroids).(10) As with running virtually any compound, testosterone supplementation (i.e. running test in a cycle containing Winstrol) is warranted to avoid possible sexual dysfunction."

This is directly from the profile here on the site.

[Reed]

Maybe you just took a portion of that but its wrong. Winstrol is a DHT based meaning it does not aromatize at any rate. You would not need a A.I. on cycle but the reasoning to still run a PCT is to kick start your HPTA so you will still need to run PCT compounds and w/ a winny only cycle I would suggest nolva/clomid for 4 weeks with 20mg of nolva throughout and 50mg of clomid throughout as well.

But regardless it would be best to not run winny by itself and it would serve you well to add in test during all cycles from now on.

100mg ed no wonder you loved it

[WARMachine]

this statement is false, he's right that it doesn't aromatize MUCH(even though it still does), but pct isn't for the aromatization effects(that means the estrogen sides caused by conversion of test to estrogen by the aromatase enzyme), pct is to get your suppressed testosterone levels back to normal

Perfect way to put it...

Whoever wrote the previous statement, lets just say he needs to do a little research...

[Reed]

Hmmmm



Could have sworn winny does not aromatize but there is evidence of it binding to the progesterone receptor

[juicedindianaboy]

so should i throw a pct in or is it too late?

[juicedindianaboy]

Perfect way to put it...

Whoever wrote the previous statement, lets just say he needs to do a little research...

Its one of the biggest bodybuilding sites around

[Reed]

Its one of the biggest bodybuilding sites around

I know the site you speak of but the intelligent ones that stick to the board knows that profile as been wrong for some time

[juicedindianaboy]

I know the site you speak of but the intelligent ones that stick to the board knows that profile as been wrong for some time

Thx for the heads up, Ive taken alot from that guy..better stop i guess

[Phate]

Hmmmm



Could have sworn winny does not aromatize but there is evidence of it binding to the progesterone receptor

anything that is testosterone based(dhts and 19nors as well) will aromatize to some extent because of the fact that they are similar to the testosterone molecule, but things like winny aromatize so little that it's like counting the calories in celery, kinda pointless to worry about

the exception of course is stuff like proviron and masteron

[Reed]

anything that is testosterone based(dhts and 19nors as well) will aromatize to some extent because of the fact that they are similar to the testosterone molecule, but things like winny aromatize so little that it's like counting the calories in celery, kinda pointless to worry about

the exception of course is stuff like proviron and masteron

Yeah I know what you speak of and read the research of the possible minor aromastization but my thinking was it being a 5-alpha reduced compound thus the reduction essentially disrupts the bond at the 4th and 5th positions which is required for estrogen conversion via aromatase and this is where the idea of using winny to help block estrogen from other steroids with it but that idea has never been supported.
Seems similar to how anadrol causes gyno when it does not even have the progest activity of test nor aromatize, it most have some unknown interaction with the estrogen receptor
My personal experience is with aromatizing compounds I tend to bloat more dbol, test and when i ran winstrol along side test i would not, I mean nothing revolutionary but it is which I would say such. I have yet the need to run a AI alongside a cycle. I want some estrogen for that mass of course

[Phate]

Yeah I know what you speak of and read the research of the possible minor aromastization but my thinking was it being a 5-alpha reduced compound thus the reduction essentially disrupts the bond at the 4th and 5th positions which is required for estrogen conversion via aromatase and this is where the idea of using winny to help block estrogen from other steroids with it but that idea has never been supported.

My personal experience is with aromatizing compounds I tend to bloat more dbol, test and when i ran winstrol along side test i would not, I mean nothing revolutionary but it is which I would say such. I have yet the need to run a AI alongside a cycle. I want some estrogen for that mass of course

hard for me to agree or disagree as theoretically the info looks sound, but since i don't have the personal experience i can't add anything on top of it, lol

[WARMachine]

this is where the idea of using winny to help block estrogen from other steroids with it but that idea has never been supported.

Haha... Was just gonna get on you before you said this.

[juicedindianaboy]

so back to the original question, what would be a good next cycle???

[Reed]

Probably test/winstrol again

haha

do your research on the dosage so we don't have to spoon feed you

the link i gave you is a great start to all your info

[Reed]

Haha... Was just gonna get on you before you said this.

Hey I was hoping Phate would start pulling some research and we could get this thread going for a minute but I gotta start cooking in a second. Debates are always fruitful for us and others

[WARMachine]

^ You betcha!

I love it!

[Phate]

Hey I was hoping Phate would start pulling some research and we could get this thread going for a minute but I gotta start cooking in a second. Debates are always fruitful for us and others

i was thinking about it, but i have a final in the morning so i need to eat and go to sleep

we'll do the debate some other time, i need to do some research first

[bjpennnn]

good luck on your final man lol