Anavar and Test E, first cycle

[gonzo6183]

Originally Posted by gonzo3816
Would anyone recommend Anavar and Test E (at a low dose, maybe 200mg) as a first cycle when trying to gain some size that I will keep?

Been doing as much research as possible and thought it was time to ask.

Age: 28
Experience: 12 months Gym, 5 years body circuits and cardio (Army)
Body fat: Est 10% - 12%
Height: 5' 9"
Weight: 64kg, 140lb
Diet: not very specific but taking in around 3000cal per day.

I have been trying to gain weight for years but its not really working, I have started on the muscle gaining secrets program which is controversial but working quite well and managed a few extra kilos (6lb).

I was thinking 40mg Var and 200mg Test E as I dont want to get too far in too early and would prefer to ease into it when the time is right.

Also my time may be limited to 8-10 weeks as I work offshore and cant take anything with me.

Any advice would be great.
I also dont plan on starting straight away, more research and suggestions needed and plan on gaining as much as possible natural even though this is the problem, its genetic and runs all through my family.
Cheers

[Phate]

at your height you could get to 200lbs naturally, your diet is the most likely problem, also, 12months in the gym is not near enough to make you ready

post everything you eat today or tomorrow as well as amounts so we can get started on your diet

that^^^ plus another year or two in the gym and you'll see results

[richtries]

at your height you could get to 200lbs naturally, your diet is the most likely problem, also, 12months in the gym is not near enough to make you ready

post everything you eat today or tomorrow as well as amounts so we can get started on your diet

that^^^ plus another year or two in the gym and you'll see results

think 200 is a little optimistic, perhaps for those with a good frame, genetics, and big bones. I've trained hard for 5 years and ate like a bull (clean) and I believe i've hit my genetix max at 180lbs. although i do agree he could achieve alot more naturally before steroids.

[Phate]

think 200 is a little optimistic, perhaps for those with a good frame, genetics, and big bones. I've trained hard for 5 years and ate like a bull (clean) and I believe i've hit my genetix max at 180lbs. although i do agree he could achieve alot more naturally before steroids.

i don't think it is, i'm 195 at 10-12% right now at 5'8

[chuckt12345]

lol,, just cus you can get to that weight doesnt mean everyone else will. Genetics are key.

[alpmaster]

You guys are giving genetics too much credit... I would say 190 naturally is about right.

[chuckt12345]

You guys are giving genetics too much credit... I would say 190 naturally is about right.

dude how do you figure that? Please explain?

[marcus300]

at your height you could get to 200lbs naturally, your diet is the most likely problem, also, 12months in the gym is not near enough to make you ready

post everything you eat today or tomorrow as well as amounts so we can get started on your diet

that^^^ plus another year or two in the gym and you'll see results

I agree with the above^^^^^^^^^^^

[Justin332]

I actually posted almost the same thing with test and var about 3 months ago. wanted to do low dose test with var.

Trust me dude, you need to up your test to 400 to see results. If these guys didn't tell me to do that, I would have been SCREWED and had really minimal gains.

Thanks guys.

[busaboy27]

im 29 5'9'' body fat under 10. 175 pounds ill never reach 200.. even with a good diet training naturally wont happen if so would take me ten years.... i think he should hit about 175 then hit it.. from my own experience.. i got a small frame but im bigger than my buddies that are 200 and i weight 25 pounds less than them..

[gonzo6183]

Only have a minute but cheers for the input so far, ill do my best on diet (back for help soon) and natural training for a while longer but still keen to here input on the actual cycle, for future reference, im in no rush.

[WARMachine]

^ sounds good bud

[gonzo6183]

When WOULD be the best time to start/end the Var during a 12 week cycle?

[c-Z]

180-190 I think is perfect for all those saying 180... I'm 5'6 had a hard a$$ time gaining weight my whole life. I eat like a horse and reached about 175 before starting any cycles.

[gonzo6183]

ill do my best to get as far as possible natuarally first, ill get the diet and training sorted out then post what im doing for critique, for now just after some info on how this course should be run