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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Now you completely change your mind, I dont need to read studies, its plain and simple that what you said was wrong, you can diet down and lose body fat and build muscle tissue via training and diet, we all do it one way or the other,
    Then I must have expressed myself very sloppily because I meant to say the same thing all along But you're making it all about semantics and seem to lose focus on the whole priming thing. You said that after dieting down, the body is primed for a state of mostly lean gains, while I said it's primed to put the fat back on. You can't honestly mean to say that it's NOT a negative to once have been "fat", or rather, "non-lean", and then overfeed, as opposed to a person who's never been "non-lean"? "dieted individuals typically show a biology that is absolutely not geared towards anything except packing the body fat back on. Typically, the metabolic consequences of dieting include a lowered metabolism, decreased fat oxidation, decreased HSL activity, increased LPL activity impaired hormonal status (including lowered testosterone and raised cortisol), decreased thermogenesis from a reduction in both thyroid levels and nervous system output and a host of other metabolic defects. All of these serve to both slow fat loss during the diet and ensure rapid fat regain when food is reintroduced."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake Hotel View Post
    Then I must have expressed myself very sloppily because I meant to say the same thing all along But you're making it all about semantics and seem to lose focus on the whole priming thing. You said that after dieting down, the body is primed for a state of mostly lean gains, while I said it's primed to put the fat back on. You can't honestly mean to say that it's NOT a negative to once have been "fat", or rather, "non-lean", and then overfeed, as opposed to a person who's never been "non-lean"? "dieted individuals typically show a biology that is absolutely not geared towards anything except packing the body fat back on. Typically, the metabolic consequences of dieting include a lowered metabolism, decreased fat oxidation, decreased HSL activity, increased LPL activity impaired hormonal status (including lowered testosterone and raised cortisol), decreased thermogenesis from a reduction in both thyroid levels and nervous system output and a host of other metabolic defects. All of these serve to both slow fat loss during the diet and ensure rapid fat regain when food is reintroduced."
    Its clear what you ment to say, you written it above many times,

    When you have primed the body you in a very anabolic state to grow muscle and if you have primed correctly via carb cycling and your a bodybuilding introducing a cycle you will build huge amounts of muscle tissue because you have opened a growth window and created an environment for tissue to grow at a very fast rate, Dorian use to use this method straigth after a show, you will put some fat on due to the bulk but your not going to put all the fat on what you have lost, that is plain silly!


    Cutting fat and building muscle is what us bodybuilders do, we dont put the fat back on we try to build more tissue which is controlled by diet and training, I think your blinded and getting confused by studies and not concentrating on bodybuilders and how we cut bodyfat and build muscle tissue, I wouldnt cut and paste other peoples work until you fully understand what you trying to say

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcus300 View Post
    Its clear what you ment to say, you written it above many times,
    No. I said in my last post that I expressed myself sloppily, excuse me that I didn't get it right the first time but is there any chance you could stop bringing up what I accidentally said but didn't mean to say?


    When you have primed the body you in a very anabolic state to grow muscle and if you have primed correctly via carb cycling and your a bodybuilding introducing a cycle you will build huge amounts of muscle tissue because you have opened a growth window and created an environment for tissue to grow at a very fast rate, Dorian use to use this method straigth after a show, you will put some fat on due to the bulk but your not going to put all the fat on what you have lost, that is plain silly!
    Exactly, a cycle, and Dorian Yates' methods i.e. cycling. Naturally, drug-free, which is what I'm talking about, none of that would happen. Different thing with drugs though, as I said already in my first post in this thread.


    I think your blinded and getting confused by studies and not concentrating on bodybuilders and how we cut bodyfat and build muscle tissue, I wouldnt cut and paste other peoples work until you fully understand what you trying to say
    I'm concentrating on exactly what I said; the body not being primed for muscle gain after losing. "cut and paste other peoples work" Yeah since you seemingly refuse to read what I link I included that in my own post, but did you miss the citation marks?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drake Hotel View Post
    No. I said in my last post that I expressed myself sloppily, excuse me that I didn't get it right the first time but is there any chance you could stop bringing up what I accidentally said but didn't mean to say?
    Exactly, a cycle, and Dorian Yates' methods i.e. cycling. Naturally, drug-free, which is what I'm talking about, none of that would happen. Different thing with drugs though, as I said already in my first post in this thread.
    I'm concentrating on exactly what I said; the body not being primed for muscle gain after losing. "cut and paste other peoples work" Yeah since you seemingly refuse to read what I link I included that in my own post, but did you miss the citation marks?
    Again i will say you knew axactly what you meant and you didnt write it sloppily because he would of corrected yourself after the first post but no you debated it in over 6 replies and you kept on saying it over and over, if you would of said it sloppily you wouldnt of kept saying over and over you would of re-written it.

    Your on a AAS forum, a thread what asked about cutting and bulking with AAS, its not even related to a natural person so comments regarding a natrual person is again plain stupid.

    You have been debating for many post about gaining fat after you have dieted down and now you have had a complete change of mind and you suppose to of meant what i was saying, now your trying to debate something else regarding priming and i am not even going to debate that one with you because your wrong again, we will go on and on with this topic and at the end you will have a change of heart again like you have done regarding fat gain.

    If there is anything you dont understand PM me and i will explain. The thread as been answered so i feel your comments regarding heaven knows what are pointless.

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