Deca or tren

[The Deuce]

Ehh I agree with you immortal... but.. TREN is a BULKER.. it adds lean muscle mass which is in turn BULKING up... DECA adds water weight while also adding muscle mass thats why it appears that deca is more of a bulker.. with TREN the results are more or less easier to retain because its actual muscle you are building and not dealing with a bloaty appearance brought on by the estrogenic properties of DECA...

I have never actually "cut" with Tren before. I have always decided to bulk with it but i am sure in time i will put together a cutting cycle with it. such as a PROP/TREN/MAST cycle.. BUT even when I ran that cycle before .. I bulked...lol.. so I dunno maybe I am just weird....

All of this is all DIET dependent... That is why I bulk... I cut when not on compounds !! I lower my caloric intake to drop BF% and when I am on I always add muscle and drop bf% so i dunno how it correlates.. but I guess people have different opinions on this than I do... AAS are meant to BULK... to add muscle... i have never met anyone or heard of anyone that has used AAS to lose muscle mass !! But every cycle i do regardless of what I use ends up me gaining muscle and losing body fat... so yah...

[Dancer]

Ehh I agree with you immortal... but.. TREN is a BULKER.. it adds lean muscle mass which is in turn BULKING up... DECA adds water weight while also adding muscle mass thats why it appears that deca is more of a bulker.. with TREN the results are more or less easier to retain because its actual muscle you are building and not dealing with a bloaty appearance brought on by the estrogenic properties of DECA...

I have never actually "cut" with Tren before. I have always decided to bulk with it but i am sure in time i will put together a cutting cycle with it. such as a PROP/TREN/MAST cycle.. BUT even when I ran that cycle before .. I bulked...lol.. so I dunno maybe I am just weird....

All of this is all DIET dependent... That is why I bulk... I cut when not on compounds !! I lower my caloric intake to drop BF% and when I am on I always add muscle and drop bf% so i dunno how it correlates.. but I guess people have different opinions on this than I do... AAS are meant to BULK... to add muscle... i have never met anyone or heard of anyone that has used AAS to lose muscle mass !! But every cycle i do regardless of what I use ends up me gaining muscle and losing body fat... so yah...

Exactly on the point... anyone that blindly states "you can sub the tren for the deca" without first looking at the person's cycle history and taking into account the all the factors is way off base.

[Immortal Soldier]

Ehh I agree with you immortal... but.. TREN is a BULKER.. it adds lean muscle mass which is in turn BULKING up... DECA adds water weight while also adding muscle mass thats why it appears that deca is more of a bulker.. with TREN the results are more or less easier to retain because its actual muscle you are building and not dealing with a bloaty appearance brought on by the estrogenic properties of DECA...

I have never actually "cut" with Tren before. I have always decided to bulk with it but i am sure in time i will put together a cutting cycle with it. such as a PROP/TREN/MAST cycle.. BUT even when I ran that cycle before .. I bulked...lol.. so I dunno maybe I am just weird....

All of this is all DIET dependent... That is why I bulk... I cut when not on compounds !! I lower my caloric intake to drop BF% and when I am on I always add muscle and drop bf% so i dunno how it correlates.. but I guess people have different opinions on this than I do... AAS are meant to BULK... to add muscle... i have never met anyone or heard of anyone that has used AAS to lose muscle mass !! But every cycle i do regardless of what I use ends up me gaining muscle and losing body fat... so yah...

Tren is not a bulker in the same way Deca is a bulker. Yes, Deca has bloating but its not like tren doesnt have water gain as well (of course before you get on me all I am saying is there is water gainage with tren of course not on the level of deca). As for you have never lost bf% while on tren maybe that explains your high bf But while I was on tren I was getting leaner while intaking 3,500 calories 150grams of fat and 300-400 grams of carbs. So take that into persepective.

Now does tren bulk you in that sense that you gain muscle? Yes, but so does testosterone. I considering bulking as pure gainage and I feel that while tren makes stable and lean muscle gains while maintaing the beach body, deca still wins (even after factoring the water loss) as a mass gainer in my opinion.

Like I said tren works different for each person, someone might gain 17lbs on tren and other might 7lbs while losing bf%, so its different while with deca most if not all experience relatively the same range of gains.

Tren is a great compound, I mean strength and lean muscle gain wise its an amazing compound. But there are times when I dont want to get leaner and I want to have a PURE BULK, that is what deca is for. On tren I didnt have that control I could have eaten a cow and I was still getting more vascular and leaner.