The truth on HGH?

[Tolerance]

Although with HGH you won't see the side effects you see from AAS's, are the long term health risks the same? Or are they also less/almost non-existant?

ty

[RedBaron]

Although with HGH you won't see the side effects you see from AAS's, are the long term health risks the same? Or are they also less/almost non-existant?

ty

If you use HGH intelligently, the side effects are just about non-existent, unless you count a lean body and healthy skin and organs a side effect. If you are a middle-aged athlete, it actually does some really positive, beneficial health things for you. All of the negative press that you see about HGH and it "unproven" abilities with anti-aging, health and healing, and athletic benefit are articles written by medical staff that have never even seen the stuff up close and personal ... much less used it. Ask any older athlete that is on HRT or TRT whether or not it makes a difference. It really does!

The flip-side to this though, is that because it does have a very positive benefit for those that are older athletes, athletes that have already achieved their genetic potential for growth and development, for athletes nursing various injuries, and children that have growth deficiencies, people of all shapes, sizes, and ages have jumped on the HGH bandwagon which is a huge mistake.

I will step on my soapbox just for a minute or two ... there are some really unsettling trends that are just plain wrong that should not be going on.

While HGH will certainly help the right group of people mentioned above, for the rest of the world it is a really, really, really expensive fat burning assist ... Definitely NOT worth the money or the time to mess with. There is a big difference in a world-class, mature athlete that needs another 3-4-5 pounds to take him to the next level, and a 20 year old that weighs 185 soaking wet that could eat a little better and show some dedication in the gym and gain 20-30 pounds without anything other than that food and dedication. Using HGH is only worthwhile for a select group of people. It works well in that way, but does not deserve the pedistal it has been put on and the panacea to all the worlds athletic endeavors.

All of that being said, steroids are in the same boat in a lot of regards. I am an old school bodybuilder. Back where I came from, you ate boatloads of high protein foods and worked your buttock off six days a week in the gym, and were rewarded with strength and size. I had been lifting seriously and religiously for a decade, and already weighed 230'ish before I ever even thought about needing assistance. Now all I see are a bunch of people looking for the lazy-mans shortcut to looking like we did with a lot of hard work.

Problem is, it doesn't work that way. I see way too many people that have claimed to have cycled a half dozen cycles that still aren't even as big as I was before I had completed my first year of natural weight lifting, much less ever even thought about thinking about a first basic cycle. Steroids also don't deserve this panacea status ... it doesn't pan out. If it did, you would see nothing but 300 pound Ruhl-like monsters walking the earth. All I see is a bunch of young kids, bald, with acne, 180 pounds soaking wet discussing the 25th cycle, all the while planning for what they will do when their arteries completely harden and close up from the abuse they are dishing out.

The point is everything has its place. If you have a headache, take a Tylenol. If you don't, then a Tylenol is a waste of time and money, and isn't going to do a single blipping thing for you. If you are already an advanced athlete that has invested the time and effort in achieving a great level of development, then the above discussed substances are going to be something to take you to the next level and keep you there. If you are just starting out and aspiring to be that, then all you are setting yourself up for is being much poorer, much less healthy, and in general greatly disappointed. Drugs of any kind won't buy a physique like you admire in athletes ... only hard work and decades of dedication will do that.

Okay, I will step of the soapbox now. Point is be smart and you will be rewarded. Act stupidly and your just in for all manner of grief and never reach your goal.

[NewMuscle83]

If you use HGH intelligently, the side effects are just about non-existent, unless you count a lean body and healthy skin and organs a side effect. If you are a middle-aged athlete, it actually does some really positive, beneficial health things for you. All of the negative press that you see about HGH and it "unproven" abilities with anti-aging, health and healing, and athletic benefit are articles written by medical staff that have never even seen the stuff up close and personal ... much less used it. Ask any older athlete that is on HRT or TRT whether or not it makes a difference. It really does!

The flip-side to this though, is that because it does have a very positive benefit for those that are older athletes, athletes that have already achieved their genetic potential for growth and development, for athletes nursing various injuries, and children that have growth deficiencies, people of all shapes, sizes, and ages have jumped on the HGH bandwagon which is a huge mistake.

I will step on my soapbox just for a minute or two ... there are some really unsettling trends that are just plain wrong that should not be going on.

While HGH will certainly help the right group of people mentioned above, for the rest of the world it is a really, really, really expensive fat burning assist ... Definitely NOT worth the money or the time to mess with. There is a big difference in a world-class, mature athlete that needs another 3-4-5 pounds to take him to the next level, and a 20 year old that weighs 185 soaking wet that could eat a little better and show some dedication in the gym and gain 20-30 pounds without anything other than that food and dedication. Using HGH is only worthwhile for a select group of people. It works well in that way, but does not deserve the pedistal it has been put on and the panacea to all the worlds athletic endeavors.

All of that being said, steroids are in the same boat in a lot of regards. I am an old school bodybuilder. Back where I came from, you ate boatloads of high protein foods and worked your buttock off six days a week in the gym, and were rewarded with strength and size. I had been lifting seriously and religiously for a decade, and already weighed 230'ish before I ever even thought about needing assistance. Now all I see are a bunch of people looking for the lazy-mans shortcut to looking like we did with a lot of hard work.

Problem is, it doesn't work that way. I see way too many people that have claimed to have cycled a half dozen cycles that still aren't even as big as I was before I had completed my first year of natural weight lifting, much less ever even thought about thinking about a first basic cycle. Steroids also don't deserve this panacea status ... it doesn't pan out. If it did, you would see nothing but 300 pound Ruhl-like monsters walking the earth. All I see is a bunch of young kids, bald, with acne, 180 pounds soaking wet discussing the 25th cycle, all the while planning for what they will do when their arteries completely harden and close up from the abuse they are dishing out.

The point is everything has its place. If you have a headache, take a Tylenol. If you don't, then a Tylenol is a waste of time and money, and isn't going to do a single blipping thing for you. If you are already an advanced athlete that has invested the time and effort in achieving a great level of development, then the above discussed substances are going to be something to take you to the next level and keep you there. If you are just starting out and aspiring to be that, then all you are setting yourself up for is being much poorer, much less healthy, and in general greatly disappointed. Drugs of any kind won't buy a physique like you admire in athletes ... only hard work and decades of dedication will do that.

Okay, I will step of the soapbox now. Point is be smart and you will be rewarded. Act stupidly and your just in for all manner of grief and never reach your goal.

One of the best posts I've read on this site since I joined. Well put, brother.

[HIITB$]

If you use HGH intelligently, the side effects are just about non-existent, unless you count a lean body and healthy skin and organs a side effect. If you are a middle-aged athlete, it actually does some really positive, beneficial health things for you. All of the negative press that you see about HGH and it "unproven" abilities with anti-aging, health and healing, and athletic benefit are articles written by medical staff that have never even seen the stuff up close and personal ... much less used it. Ask any older athlete that is on HRT or TRT whether or not it makes a difference. It really does!

The flip-side to this though, is that because it does have a very positive benefit for those that are older athletes, athletes that have already achieved their genetic potential for growth and development, for athletes nursing various injuries, and children that have growth deficiencies, people of all shapes, sizes, and ages have jumped on the HGH bandwagon which is a huge mistake.

I will step on my soapbox just for a minute or two ... there are some really unsettling trends that are just plain wrong that should not be going on.

While HGH will certainly help the right group of people mentioned above, for the rest of the world it is a really, really, really expensive fat burning assist ... Definitely NOT worth the money or the time to mess with. There is a big difference in a world-class, mature athlete that needs another 3-4-5 pounds to take him to the next level, and a 20 year old that weighs 185 soaking wet that could eat a little better and show some dedication in the gym and gain 20-30 pounds without anything other than that food and dedication. Using HGH is only worthwhile for a select group of people. It works well in that way, but does not deserve the pedistal it has been put on and the panacea to all the worlds athletic endeavors.

All of that being said, steroids are in the same boat in a lot of regards. I am an old school bodybuilder. Back where I came from, you ate boatloads of high protein foods and worked your buttock off six days a week in the gym, and were rewarded with strength and size. I had been lifting seriously and religiously for a decade, and already weighed 230'ish before I ever even thought about needing assistance. Now all I see are a bunch of people looking for the lazy-mans shortcut to looking like we did with a lot of hard work.

Problem is, it doesn't work that way. I see way too many people that have claimed to have cycled a half dozen cycles that still aren't even as big as I was before I had completed my first year of natural weight lifting, much less ever even thought about thinking about a first basic cycle. Steroids also don't deserve this panacea status ... it doesn't pan out. If it did, you would see nothing but 300 pound Ruhl-like monsters walking the earth. All I see is a bunch of young kids, bald, with acne, 180 pounds soaking wet discussing the 25th cycle, all the while planning for what they will do when their arteries completely harden and close up from the abuse they are dishing out.

The point is everything has its place. If you have a headache, take a Tylenol. If you don't, then a Tylenol is a waste of time and money, and isn't going to do a single blipping thing for you. If you are already an advanced athlete that has invested the time and effort in achieving a great level of development, then the above discussed substances are going to be something to take you to the next level and keep you there. If you are just starting out and aspiring to be that, then all you are setting yourself up for is being much poorer, much less healthy, and in general greatly disappointed. Drugs of any kind won't buy a physique like you admire in athletes ... only hard work and decades of dedication will do that.

Okay, I will step of the soapbox now. Point is be smart and you will be rewarded. Act stupidly and your just in for all manner of grief and never reach your goal.

I know this already been quoted but im doing it again, shameless....GREAT post mang!

[ModernWarrior]

If someone were to take HGH, would that be all they need to take? From start to finish of the cycle?

[RedBaron]

If someone were to take HGH, would that be all they need to take? From start to finish of the cycle?

There are a lot of variables associated with a question like that, and for that reason there isn't a simple answer. It depends on why you are taking HGH in the first place - Advanced Bodybuilder? Anti-Aging patient? Hormone deficient kid? Medical injury recovery? The list goes on and on.

For the most part and in general, the answer is no. It usually isn't a very good investment to take nothing but HGH. It works a lot better in concert with a good solid cycle.

A beginning cycle or as part of an anti-aging strategy, you would probably be considering HGH with Test Cyp. From there, it escalates and there are a lot of directions to go. If we are talking about its use in advanced bodybuilders, then certainly is it best used as part of a well thought out cycle. I will give you a general idea of how I used to incorporate HGH into cycles when I was a competitor - this would be a typical type cycle for a seasoned bodybuilder that should be considering HGH as part of the mix. Certainly not the only way to do it, but one way that is effective.

1-23 Test Cyp (increasing dose on 16-23)
1-8 Deca (lowering dose on 9-20)
1-4, 24-27 Test Prop
9-20 Tren Enanthate
9-20 EQ

HGH 6IU's/day 5 on/ 2off (3IU's on waking, 3IU's early afternoon, Pharma grade).
LR3 IGF-1 5 weeks / off 5 weeks rotating throughout the cycle.
Humalog workout days only PWO rotating 5 weeks on / 5 weeks off throughout (opposing weeks with LR3 IGF-1).

15-27 Proviron
23-26 HCG
27-31 Clomid

1-31 Arimidex
1-27 Nolvadex, 28-32 increase dose
1-31 B6 200mg/day
1-31 B12 500mcg/day

At any rate, that is just a simple example of what HGH would look like in an intermediate type cycle.

All that being said, there are many occasions where you will see HGH ran on its own. Some anti-aging applications, some bodybuilders between cycles, some people nursing nasty injuries, etc. As I started this with, it really is too complex a question for a simple answer. Hope that helps at least a little.

[jackjackson]

There are a lot of variables associated with a question like that, and for that reason there isn't a simple answer. It depends on why you are taking HGH in the first place - Advanced Bodybuilder? Anti-Aging patient? Hormone deficient kid? Medical injury recovery? The list goes on and on.

For the most part and in general, the answer is no. It usually isn't a very good investment to take nothing but HGH. It works a lot better in concert with a good solid cycle.

A beginning cycle or as part of an anti-aging strategy, you would probably be considering HGH with Test Cyp. From there, it escalates and there are a lot of directions to go. If we are talking about its use in advanced bodybuilders, then certainly is it best used as part of a well thought out cycle. I will give you a general idea of how I used to incorporate HGH into cycles when I was a competitor - this would be a typical type cycle for a seasoned bodybuilder that should be considering HGH as part of the mix. Certainly not the only way to do it, but one way that is effective.

1-23 Test Cyp (increasing dose on 16-23)
1-8 Deca (lowering dose on 9-20)
1-4, 24-27 Test Prop
9-20 Tren Enanthate
9-20 EQ

HGH 6IU's/day 5 on/ 2off (3IU's on waking, 3IU's early afternoon, Pharma grade).
LR3 IGF-1 5 weeks / off 5 weeks rotating throughout the cycle.
Humalog workout days only PWO rotating 5 weeks on / 5 weeks off throughout (opposing weeks with LR3 IGF-1).

15-27 Proviron
23-26 HCG
27-31 Clomid

1-31 Arimidex
1-27 Nolvadex, 28-32 increase dose
1-31 B6 200mg/day
1-31 B12 500mcg/day

At any rate, that is just a simple example of what HGH would look like in an intermediate type cycle.

All that being said, there are many occasions where you will see HGH ran on its own. Some anti-aging applications, some bodybuilders between cycles, some people nursing nasty injuries, etc. As I started this with, it really is too complex a question for a simple answer. Hope that helps at least a little.

Wow
Im saving up now for HGH, looking at a few thousand to at least run 5 or 6iu.
Not that I need it now but saving the cash.
Awesome thread