How does my cycle look...

[GeneticFreak220!!]

Week 1-13 10mg nolva ed
Week 1-16 0.25 Anastrozol eod
Week 1-12 300-500ius HCG every 5th day
Week 1-6 30mg Dbol ed
Week 1-10 600mg Eq per week
Week 1-10 750mg test-e per week
Week 13 40mg nolva/ 100mg clomid
Week 14 30mg nolva/ 50mg clomid
Week 15 20mg nolva/ 50mg clomid

Plan to divide test and eq into 2 doses per week, and split dbol into three doses ed of 10mg.
Age: 26
Height: 6'0
Weight: 219
BF: Approx 10%
Exp Training: 6 Years
Diet: Healthy

This is my first true cycle and I am questionable on a few things like, is it too much test?, is dbol too long?, nolva and arimidex during the cycle?, hcg for such a long time and during the cycle?

[seriousmass]

oh my.

where to start.. lol

[Big]

should we assume that the 750mg/week is test?

[T-MOS]

why are you using nolva AND arimidex during your cycle?

IF this is your first true cycle, then WHY are you using 3 compounds? how will you know what is and isn't working or giving you bad side effects?

750mgs of test IS too much for a first cycle

[GeneticFreak220!!]

I edited that, yes its test e.

[G4R]

T-MOS beat me to it. First cycle and running 3 diffs? Wow...

[ninesecz]

why so much and so many on 1st cycle. all that nolva during is no good and will kst likely hinder gains if no sides are present, and is there a readon you are running such a high dose of test and not just 500mg EW/ and why adding EQ? you are never going to know how good test alone treats you if you add other compounds right from the strat of your 1st cycle!

[GeneticFreak220!!]

ok tmos, thank you, these are the kind of answers i am looking for. how should I do it.

[T-MOS]

Merry Christmas

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

[Phate]

Merry Christmas

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742

LMAO, i just saw the news, it's snowing in hell

[T-MOS]

LMAO, i just saw the news, it's snowing in hell

can't argue with the best thread for beginners !!!

[Phate]

can't argue with the best thread for beginners !!!

actually it needs some revisions, i'm gonna send myself a pm and do them tomorrow

i should do one for a cutting diet too now that i think of it

[johnCash]

if its your first cycle it should be test e only or test e and dbol. 6 weeks is too long for the dbol. use dbol for 4 weeks(5max). test e 400mg p/week or 500mg max. you dont need nolva or arimidex until after your done your cycle. thats a start

[T-MOS]

actually it needs some revisions, i'm gonna send myself a pm and do them tomorrow

hard to improve on perfection, but OK, give it a shot.....LOL

[GeneticFreak220!!]

thanks cash, i understand, phate and tmos I have no idea what your talkin about but I appreciate the link tmos

[T-MOS]

thanks cash, i understand, phate and tmos I have no idea what your talkin about but I appreciate the link tmos

who don't you understand? what is your question?

[ninesecz]

still did not see an answer to many of our questions we asked you! We like to have an idea why people are planning on doing what they are doing. ! Like for instance I wanted to really know where you obtained the info o run Nolva throughout your cycle and also why you would want to run 1.5X the normal test dosage on your 1st cycle? If we knew why you had it planned like this we could tell you why we think it is a bad idea rather than just telling you what you should do!

[GeneticFreak220!!]

I understand you cycle advice I just didnt understand what the snowing in hell meant and the other stuff.
how about this....
Test E 500mg divided into 2x per week.....how many weeks 10? 12?
dbol 30mg for 4 weeks
save pct for the end only
what about hcg?

[ninesecz]

sound alot better thsan your original plan. just let T-mos teak it a little and you should be set. Is your diet all tuned in? that is going to make all the difference in the world!

[T-MOS]

PCT would start 14 days after last injection of test E

hcg, is a personal preference

but that is a GREAT beginner cycle as long as you have PCT planned and IN HAND before you start

you may want an AI (aromatase inhibitor) on hand in case of bloat or gyno signs

I would plan 12 weeks

Keep in mind, DIET is about 89% of whether you gain or not

if your gonna use dblol, split the dose up 3 times a day

[GeneticFreak220!!]

ninesecz, I aquired my gear before I figured out that I should probably make some changes. This was the layout for the cycle when I got it but after I did some research I started to question the whole cycle. I never bought it as a begginer cycle. I am just now learning about how begginers need to start off slowly instead of throwing a bunch of stuff in there, you guys have already been helpful so any more info is appreciated.

[GeneticFreak220!!]

yea my diet is good, is letro an AI?

[T-MOS]

you can store and save the other stuff for later

the concept is that you use ONE compound that you are gonna use in every cycle, so that you LEARN how your body reacts to it and knows what to expect so for the next cycle, you add ONE compound and then you will be able to differentiate between what is doing what to your ONE AND ONLY BODY....

you become the scientist or doctor of your own body's chemistry

[T-MOS]

yea my diet is good, is letro an AI?

letro is TERRIBLE on cycle.... it will KILL ALL ESTROGEN, you need some

if you are gyno prone, or already Have gyno, then letro is your chem of choice, BUT if you don't know, then you want an AI like arimedex, aromasin

[ninesecz]

I am glad you are here and actually soaking in the advice instead of arguing or second guessing like a lot of people do! Lot of helpful people here and T-mos is one the top doggs Arf Arf LOL Whle he is in here on your post ask him anything you might be concerned with! Might as well get the best advice you can from one of the est in here! pick his brain now while you can!! and good luck to you on that cycle just remem ber what T-mos and I both said about the diet being important as all hell!

[GeneticFreak220!!]

your a god tmos, tooooo easy, i understand completely

[ninesecz]

Hey T-mos.. Have ypu ever heard of or used AIFM from the AR Store? it is a sray on Aromitase inhibitor. you sparat like 1-3 pumps 2-3 times a day on your legs or forearms. In have from several that it works pretty good
http://www.theafstore.com/product.php?productid=8
I used it for 1 cycle and got no sided! Not sure if it was from that stuff or I am am just not prone wanted to get your $0.02 on it if you would kind sir?

[T-MOS]

Hey T-mos.. Have ypu ever heard of or used AIFM from the AR Store? it is a sray on Aromitase inhibitor. you sparat like 1-3 pumps 2-3 times a day on your legs or forearms. In have from several that it works pretty good
http://www.theafstore.com/product.php?productid=8
I used it for 1 cycle and got no sided! Not sure if it was from that stuff or I am am just not prone wanted to get your $0.02 on it if you would kind sir?

no, never used it and i don't order from there ........

[GeneticFreak220!!]

ok i have the arimidex, so only use it if signs start to show? how about the pct....should I use nolva, clomid, arimidex and hcg all in the pct???? you prolly wanna kill me know lol

[ninesecz]

just wondering if the product was any good in your eyes! I refuse to order from them also. Just wondering if the concept of the product was real and if anyone else we use on here has a similar product like that?

[T-MOS]

ok i have the arimidex, so only use it if signs start to show? how about the pct....should I use nolva, clomid, arimidex and hcg all in the pct???? you prolly wanna kill me know lol

not kill, just hurt a little

PCT is SO diverse and there are SO many different ways to run it, the best bet is to go to the PCT section and read the STICKIES....those are the threads stuck at the top of the forum...and see which one fits best for you

the usual is CLOMID/NOLVA

HCG is used during cycle to help keep your nuts from shrinking, but I always say, The smaller the potatoes, the bigger the portion of meat looks !!!! JMHO

[ninesecz]

ok i have the arimidex, so only use it if signs start to show? how about the pct....should I use nolva, clomid, arimidex and hcg all in the pct???? you prolly wanna kill me know lol

you will start your pct exactly 14 days after your last injection.
Run clomid and nolvadex
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

[Phate]

yea my diet is good, is letro an AI?

prove it, post it, lol

[GeneticFreak220!!]

your a cool mofo, last question and I will leave you alone, if u should use one compound at a time should I just use the dbol by itself or the test by itself so I see how I react?

[T-MOS]

prove it, post it, lol

yes, no offense, but normally the average person dieting is NOT like a bodybuilder dieting

your diet may look good to you, but to us, we may need to tweek it so that you Grow big and strong

post up what a typical days food intake is, with times you eat each meal and what each meal consists of, and PHATE will work his magic for you

THE BETTER YOUR DIET, THE BETTER YOUR GAINS, with or without steroids

[ninesecz]

your a cool mofo, last question and I will leave you alone, if u should use one compound at a time should I just use the dbol by itself or the test by itself so I see how I react?

Never use D-bol by itself. put it somewhere safe for your next cycle. trust us after you see how good a simple 500mg a wek hit can do...YOU'll be back

Phate you just love breakin; balls about the diet Ha?? I Love it!!

[T-MOS]

your a cool mofo, last question and I will leave you alone, if u should use one compound at a time should I just use the dbol by itself or the test by itself so I see how I react?

NEVER use dbol by itself !!!!!

most all steroids WILL SHUT DOWN YOUR BODY'S natural testosterone production !!!!

so you want to always use Injectable Test to replace what you shut down !!!

that is why, TEST ONLY is the best first cycle, it is the foundation of all your future cycles even if it is just a LOW DOSE replacement of what you shut down

you will be OK with using dbol with the test since it takes the Test E about 4-6 weeks to kick in

Expect a LOT of water weight gain from the dbol, so don't get excited that you are gaining weight from it. you will get stronger with it, but you will lose the water weight once you stop using it, and that is why the AI is a good idea

[Phate]

Never use D-bol by itself. put it somewhere safe for your next cycle. trust us after you see how good a simple 500mg a wek hit can do...YOU'll be back

Phate you just love breakin; balls about the diet Ha?? I Love it!!

hell yeah, it's one of the few things on this forum i have personal experience with and it's easily my best subject so i try to help apply it to others as much as possible, lol

[GeneticFreak220!!]

ok my diet....

I wake up each day and take in a good source of protein form chicken or eggs, usually a piece of fruit, and some whole grain toast. Its probably not as big as it should be but its usually about 40g pro and 40g carbs.

For the rest of the day I never go more than 2 or 3 hour without a meal. Its chicken breasts, turkey, or fish for my protein sources. I have been trying to limit my carbs to breakfast and post workout.

Post workout is always a shake with about 50g pro and then I eat a good carb/pro meal about an hour later.

I always drink a casein shake right before bed also. I usually drink my shakes with milk but I might stop doing that. I want my diet to be on point in order to get the best gains possible and to prevent any acne whatsoever.

I easily get at least 1 gram per pound of bw. but more realistically 1.5 - 2grams. About 7-8 meals a day including the 2 shakes.. I read to try and remove the gluten from your diet and use mainly brown rice, fruits and nuts

[G4R]

hell yeah, it's one of the few things on this forum i have personal experience with and it's easily my best subject so i try to help apply it to others as much as possible, lol

It's true. I thought I had a great Diet going, Low Calories, Low Fat, Low Carbs, High Protein... still needed work though.