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    Well basically I'll give it to you like this.

    How to run PCT is a matter of opinions based on word of mouth throughout the bodybuilding, sport, and steroid community by subjective experience. There are no actual scientific write ups done by any university or studies with this type of protocol on post cycle steroid users.

    However all you have to do is look at the studies of the PCT drugs and there effects and how this can correlate to our benefits once we decide to come off the AAS drugs.

    The link I provided in Post 12 of Pheednos PCT has a good read on clomid vs nolva and how the two together are different and can make a beneficial PCT protocol.

    Aromasin is a aromatize inhibitor (AI) meaning they effectively lower estrogen in the blood while Clomid and Nolva are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERM) and these drugs block certain estrogen receptors that keep the estrogen from binding but will not lower it in the blood stream. Read: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

    You need to be careful with AIs as estrogen is a important hormone in the male body and lowering it too much can cause severe side effects, and running AIs during cycles can actually hold gains back as estrogen is know to help along side with mass gains. You want your estrogen to be in a certain range and be on the look out for sides

    What you need to understand is in the end we as humans don't know everything about our bodies, the steroids, or even exercise. Anadrol is a perfect example of drug that is confusing for science as it is a DHT derivative and its widely accepted that DHT derivatives do NOT aromatize thus cannot have estrogenic side effects and which should not cause gyno. This is not the case. Studies have been done to see if it may have some progestin activity but a study released some 25+ years ago in France revealed it has less progestin activity than testosterone. So in the end it must have some unknown interaction with the estrogen receptors

    What I am saying is read up on your material, take different opinions and responses from everyone, be smart, and come up with what works for you. Always be willing to learn more about the basics as well, cardio, diet, training as if you began to read books or watch videos you may realize you know a lot less than you original thought, I know it happened to me and recently at that......

    isaidme I'd would just suggest a basic clomid/nolva cycle simple, easy and as been widely used for some time especially for a simple cycle like you have but look through the PCT forums and read up for yourself

    I know this is long and drawn out but I hope it helps and gives you a little bit of insight Now back to bed LOL!
    Last edited by Reed; 07-12-2009 at 02:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reed View Post
    Well basically I'll give it to you like this.

    How to run PCT is a matter of opinions based on word of mouth throughout the bodybuilding, sport, and steroid community by subjective experience. There are no actual scientific write ups done by any university or studies with this type of protocol on post cycle steroid users.

    However all you have to do is look at the studies of the PCT drugs and there effects and how this can correlate to our benefits once we decide to come off the AAS drugs.

    The link I provided in Post 12 of Pheednos PCT has a good read on clomid vs nolva and how the two together are different and can make a beneficial PCT protocol.

    Aromasin is a aromatize inhibitor (AI) meaning they effectively lower estrogen in the blood while Clomid and Nolva are Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators (SERM) and these drugs block certain estrogen receptors that keep the estrogen from binding but will not lower it in the blood stream. Read: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=198848

    You need to be careful with AIs as estrogen is a important hormone in the male body and lowering it too much can cause severe side effects, and running AIs during cycles can actually hold gains back as estrogen is know to help along side with mass gains. You want your estrogen to be in a certain range and be on the look out for sides

    What you need to understand is in the end we as humans don't know everything about our bodies, the steroids, or even exercise. Anadrol is a perfect example of drug that is confusing for science as it is a DHT derivative and its widely accepted that DHT derivatives do NOT aromatize thus cannot have estrogenic side effects and which should not cause gyno. This is not the case. Studies have been done to see if it may have some progestin activity but a study released some 25+ years ago in France revealed it has less progestin activity than testosterone. So in the end it must have some unknown interaction with the estrogen receptors

    What I am saying is read up on your material, take different opinions and responses from everyone, be smart, and come up with what works for you. Always be willing to learn more about the basics as well, cardio, diet, training as if you began to read books or watch videos you may realize you know a lot less than you original thought, I know it happened to me and recently at that......

    isaidme I'd would just suggest a basic clomid/nolva cycle simple, easy and as been widely used for some time especially for a simple cycle like you have but look through the PCT forums and read up for yourself

    I know this is long and drawn out but I hope it helps and gives you a little bit of insight Now back to bed LOL!
    Short and to the point. Awesome read.

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