"Clomid & Nolvadex - The Dark Side"

[CptAmericaX]

You don't need to take Nolva or Clmoid for 4 years constant to start gettng the carcinogenic side effects. That's like saying you need to smoke a pack of cigarettes everyday for 5 years to get cancer.

It doesn't work that way, in healthy males cancer (prostate or liver) caused by Nolva or clomid would take several years to manifest itself either way so its not like you are going to run a PCT and boom two months later be diagnosed with cancer. No, it takes time and the use of nolva/clomid in conjunction is the backbone of steroid PCT cycles. The use of it for 4-6 weeks over time as the user does more steroid cycles will cause some sort of an effect on the body.

As of right now the evidence is not vindictive, but I do believe nolva and clomid should be scraped as SERMS used by bodybuilders and the new-generation of SERMS should be picked up by steroid sources and the bodybuilding population because one they are safer and more reliable and two they work better than the old SERMS that were made nearly 50 years ago.

I thought about using cigarrets as a example as well, if someone smokes 1 month every year, what are the chances of him getting cancer? highly doubt its that high of a risk. But in the same sence check that Vitamen C crap out thats not even taking vitamen C in constant doses. Im not argueing that fact that its time for new serms but Im just saying anything is harmful

[Immortal Soldier]

I thought about using cigarrets as a example as well, if someone smokes 1 month every year, what are the chances of him getting cancer? highly doubt its that high of a risk. But in the same sence check that Vitamen C crap out thats not even taking vitamen C in constant doses. Im not argueing that fact that its time for new serms but Im just saying anything is harmful

LOL @ you comparing over use of vitamin ingestion to cancer therapy carcinogenic drugs. That's like comparing chemotherapy and the killing of cells to Mcdonalds and heart disease.

Also comparing smoking one month every year to a 4 week everyday dosage therapy of nolvadex is once again ignorant, my example of using smoking was to show you don't need to take a carcinogenic for an constant excessive amount of time to release the effects into the body, yours on the other hand was to directly comparing a "once in a while smoker" chances of cancer to a steroid user who does 4 week PCT therapy at 2-4 times a year.

Same reason as to why doctors would allow chemotherapy which kills healthy cells as well as cancer cells is the same reason doctors use Nolvadex, it is the lesser of two evils. Both methods are last-ditch efforts to save lives, so if the person can stay alive for 6-12 months longer and develops tumors on their liver than so be it because they will address the liver issue when it occurs.

[CptAmericaX]

LOL @ you comparing over use of vitamin ingestion to cancer therapy carcinogenic drugs. That's like comparing chemotherapy and the killing of cells to Mcdonalds and heart disease.

Also comparing smoking one month every year to a 4 week everyday dosage therapy of nolvadex is once again ignorant, my example of using smoking was to show you don't need to take a carcinogenic for an constant excessive amount of time to release the effects into the body, yours on the other hand was to directly comparing a "once in a while smoker" chances of cancer to a steroid user who does 4 week PCT therapy at 2-4 times a year.

Same reason as to why doctors would allow chemotherapy which kills healthy cells as well as cancer cells is the same reason doctors use Nolvadex, it is the lesser of two evils. Both methods are last-ditch efforts to save lives, so if the person can stay alive for 6-12 months longer and develops tumors on their liver than so be it because they will address the liver issue when it occurs.

Imortal you have been around longer and have way more research my point was, that using it 1 month year isnt going to give you cancer and kill you. There are plenty of things that are on the market that people use daily that can cause just as many health problems

[guardian72]

My very first cycle pct consisted of clomid/nolv.
My eyes have never been the same since.
I got tracers and lowered the dosage and finished my PCT.
My vision deteriorated and Never recovered.
Am I blind, no.
Do I need glasses, no.
I was a long distance rifle shooter. I can't do it anymore.
I was a competition archer. I can't do it anymore.
I never touched clomid or nolv again.

1 PCT of 4 weeks
Clomid no more than 100mg daily
Nolv no more than 20mg daily
That's all it took.

G72

[dezza6969]

My very first cycle pct consisted of clomid/nolv.
My eyes have never been the same since.
I got tracers and lowered the dosage and finished my PCT.
My vision deteriorated and Never recovered.
Am I blind, no.
Do I need glasses, no.
I was a long distance rifle shooter. I can't do it anymore.
I was a competition archer. I can't do it anymore.
I never touched clomid or nolv again.

1 PCT of 4 weeks
Clomid no more than 100mg daily
Nolv no more than 20mg daily
That's all it took.

G72

Thats really unfortunate mate. my job depends largely on the accuracy of my vision but i couldn't begin to imagine how much that would p*ss me off not being able to continue my career

[dezza6969]

LOL @ you comparing over use of vitamin ingestion to cancer therapy carcinogenic drugs. That's like comparing chemotherapy and the killing of cells to Mcdonalds and heart disease.

Also comparing smoking one month every year to a 4 week everyday dosage therapy of nolvadex is once again ignorant, my example of using smoking was to show you don't need to take a carcinogenic for an constant excessive amount of time to release the effects into the body, yours on the other hand was to directly comparing a "once in a while smoker" chances of cancer to a steroid user who does 4 week PCT therapy at 2-4 times a year.

Same reason as to why doctors would allow chemotherapy which kills healthy cells as well as cancer cells is the same reason doctors use Nolvadex, it is the lesser of two evils. Both methods are last-ditch efforts to save lives, so if the person can stay alive for 6-12 months longer and develops tumors on their liver than so be it because they will address the liver issue when it occurs.

^^^x2