What kind of Gains do you think

[CrazyHorse13]

Well the cycle is Epistane.......20, 30, 30, 30,30,30
H-drol..........50, 50, 50, 50
Nolva...........40, 20, 20, 20
Milk thistle.....700mg, 700mg 700mg, 700mg

With liv 52 during the on cycle

I was really just curious if anyone had any experience with this stuff....

Some one said not to do them at the same time....Why

[kojak_x]

Well the cycle is Epistane.......20, 30, 30, 30,30,30
H-drol..........50, 50, 50, 50
Nolva...........40, 20, 20, 20
Milk thistle.....700mg, 700mg 700mg, 700mg

With liv 52 during the on cycle

I was really just curious if anyone had any experience with this stuff....

Some one said not to do them at the same time....Why

Nolva should be 40, 40, 20, 20.

and your epistane cycle is too long, 20, 30, 30, 30. mabey an extra week 30

also running both at the same time would be harsh on your liver. You should gain close to 20 lbs off a cycle like that, and keep your gains. Thats why I wouldn't do both at the same time. If you want that type of bulk go and do a regular injecjtable test cycle. I would think it would be safer.

What are you stats by the way-->
years training,
weight
age
body fat
diet