I tried to do my first cycle last year of test E (12wks) and dbol kickstart (6wks). I honestly had little to no strenght gain at all, i even upped my dbol to 75mgs.....the only thing i did notice was later on i was quite horny. but on a PH cycle i had put on 3 times the weight, and a very notable gain in strength. pretty sure my gear was bad...... such a waste =[