Senate to vote on NATIONAL Right-To-Carry Reciprocity, Call Your Senator!

[vpchill]

I certainly was not trying to insult your intelligence. However, you made several claims which are unsubstantiated by the available data. So, I would appreciate it if you didn't make assumptions as to my own personal experiences, I have been involved with and seen things I would not like any other person to see. However, when arguing a point, I prefer to use facts and statistics which are more or less irrefutable, than to use straw man arguments which have no quantifiable way of being measured.

When you speak from personal experience, we call these things anecdotes. They are more or less useless for the sake of argument, because there is no way to eliminate the many confounding variables which could be effecting your opinion. Statistics are more relevant when discussing national problems, because they account for regional differences.

You want an original statement from me? I concealed&carried on a daily basis when I was in college. Having that tool at my disposable should something threaten my life made me feel much safer. In fact, I almost had to draw my weapon on a person who I thought was going to attempt to rob me. So I am quite apprehensive when bleeding heart liberals want to make ME less safe, or make my FAMILY less safe, and limit MY right to defend myself and my family because their misguided opinions and fear mongering scare people into thinking an INANIMATE OBJECT like a gun is responsible for all the evil in the world.

What do these laws do? They DO NOT stop criminals from carrying guns across state lines concealed on their persons, that is why they are by definition a CRIMINAL. ALL that legislation does is prevent LAW ABIDING CITIZENS from being able to protect themselves from the criminals who break the laws. It penalizes the good guys, and rewards the bad guys. Concluding that we need more gun control is so illogical that it boggles my mind how anyone can hold this belief. Especially when the NUMBERS, which you seem unconcerned with, indicate DRASTIC decreases in violent crime in states that have instituted CONCEAL AND CARRY.

Ok, Mark this down. For the 1st time I will agree with you.
yet this is my opinion so for you to shoot that down, how can I respect yours?
Now, I totally agree none of this stops the criminal element. Yet, I can deal with the fact of criminals having illegal guns (?? Allow me to explain)
I know that if John and his Homies are strapped, 9 times out of 10 they cant shoot and will only fire if threatened by local enemies or the like.
Yet if Mike smith is carrying legally and has NO training and gets scared or overreacts this can lead to irreversible damage.
I can anticipate what the criminal will do, I cannot anticipate what a legal gun owner with no gun training will do when confronted with a harsh situation.
Thats why I feel there should be more training involved for people to carry legally. The criminal (Most times) is carrying his weapon on a day by need basis given those particular circumstances.
Once again, this is my opinion.
I own NO guns. I have yet to fear another human being. Now at one point I owned many, due to my lifestyle and my surroundings. I feel more shouldbe focused on proper qualifications and training. Even cops have to train to use their weapon, why not Mike Smith the average cictizen?

[MuscleScience]

Ok, Mark this down. For the 1st time I will agree with you.
yet this is my opinion so for you to shoot that down, how can I respect yours?
Now, I totally agree none of this stops the criminal element. Yet, I can deal with the fact of criminals having illegal guns (?? Allow me to explain)
I know that if John and his Homies are strapped, 9 times out of 10 they cant shoot and will only fire if threatened by local enemies or the like.
Yet if Mike smith is carrying legally and has NO training and gets scared or overreacts this can lead to irreversible damage.
I can anticipate what the criminal will do, I cannot anticipate what a legal gun owner with no gun training will do when confronted with a harsh situation.
Thats why I feel there should be more training involved for people to carry legally. The criminal (Most times) is carrying his weapon on a day by need basis given those particular circumstances.
Once again, this is my opinion.
I own NO guns. I have yet to fear another human being. Now at one point I owned many, due to my lifestyle and my surroundings. I feel more shouldbe focused on proper qualifications and training. Even cops have to train to use their weapon, why not Mike Smith the average cictizen?

I respectfully disagree, I still dont want to get shot at by someone regardless if they are a marksmen or not. I dont want that one magic bullet hitting me or the stray bullet hitting a bystander. I had to go through a fairly rigorous training process to obtain my CCW. Granted it could always be more, but I had to first have a hunters safety course, which was very rigorous. My state is not even that strict relative to others as far as training goes. And the fact that most CCW holders are life long users of guns anyway and gun hobbiest who know how to properly use a firearm and what situations to use them in is better than any training one could ever receive from the state.

[TITANIUM]

I respect the views and opinions of others.It's been taught in our schools, and even collages, that firearms are bad.There are some of you who understand our constitutional rights.Then there are those of you that are basically scared of them.That is what mainstream media has taught you.Then, there is those of you who hate guns period.And think if we didn't have them, that society would be safer.Example, the police have a right to protect themselves and others, buy civilians don't? There is no argument or opinion that will change the facts and statistics.States that have CCW laws have lower crime rates.It's people that are misusing them that need to be punished.Now, for those of you that don't no the federal law,every time a firearm is bought,anywhere, they go through NICS.The ATF oversees and NICS run a current background checks.Nics is a part of the FBI, actually, that is who they are.I've seen things that no man should see.And anyone else that has served in the military or law enforcement believes in this right.Why?From a overbearing, and tyrannical government.Once they take away constitutional rights, and civil liberties,then we are not a governed nation, but a ruled nation.

[Flagg]

One other thing. Some of you seem to think that it's your right to own a gun in the event of a revolution or you need to defend yourself from the Government.

Can I just ask, how in todays age, would it even be remotely possible to launch a revolution? So what, a load of civilians have some shotguns and rifles...what is that going to do against the might of the military and all its tech, should the masses decide its time for a revolution? What will your right to bare arms do in the face of being bombed to shit from high altitudes? Prehaps there should be an update in the constitution about having the right to own an F 14 Tomcat?

Im not saying you should have no rights to own guns, but I do think there are some slightly paranoid reasonings behind thinking you need to own a gun, and I agree that prehaps there should be some sort of training required to own a gun.

[TITANIUM]

www.oathkeepers.org

[Flagg]

That link is all well and good, but if your Government really wanted to sieze your country with military force, there is not much anyone could do wether they owned a gun or not.

[thegodfather]

One other thing. Some of you seem to think that it's your right to own a gun in the event of a revolution or you need to defend yourself from the Government.

Can I just ask, how in todays age, would it even be remotely possible to launch a revolution? So what, a load of civilians have some shotguns and rifles...what is that going to do against the might of the military and all its tech, should the masses decide its time for a revolution? What will your right to bare arms do in the face of being bombed to shit from high altitudes? Prehaps there should be an update in the constitution about having the right to own an F 14 Tomcat?

Im not saying you should have no rights to own guns, but I do think there are some slightly paranoid reasonings behind thinking you need to own a gun, and I agree that prehaps there should be some sort of training required to own a gun.

My university is smack dab in the middle of the worst section in Philadelphia....Several students were shot these past 2 semesters, there were 5 home invasions, and numerous robberies in the streets, walking to class, walking back to your house. A friend of mine had someone killed outside of his dorm room last semester. Bums and derelicts frequently come onto campus to hassle people for change, sometimes if you dont give them any, they pull out a weapon and rob you.

[Flagg]

My university is smack dab in the middle of the worst section in Philadelphia....Several students were shot these past 2 semesters, there were 5 home invasions, and numerous robberies in the streets, walking to class, walking back to your house. A friend of mine had someone killed outside of his dorm room last semester. Bums and derelicts frequently come onto campus to hassle people for change, sometimes if you dont give them any, they pull out a weapon and rob you.

Well I have to admit, the area im in is relatively quiet. Might be a bit different if I was going to London Imperial or something like that. I think the worst crime we've had on Campus is petty theft, things like bikes stolen, etc.

[MuscleScience]

My university is smack dab in the middle of the worst section in Philadelphia....Several students were shot these past 2 semesters, there were 5 home invasions, and numerous robberies in the streets, walking to class, walking back to your house. A friend of mine had someone killed outside of his dorm room last semester. Bums and derelicts frequently come onto campus to hassle people for change, sometimes if you dont give them any, they pull out a weapon and rob you.

My Alma Mater is in the absolute worst part of town. Crime was so bad in the mid to late 90's with shootings around campus, kidnapped students, female students frequently being raped, mugging ect. That the University lobbied the city to build a police station on Campus. Eventually a old building was knocked down that was owned by the U and a huge police substation was built. Only problem was that the cops are still so preoccupied with policing the surrounding neigborhoods that you rarely see a cop on campus. The University has now resorted to buying property up in and effort to create a buffer from the community and the University.

[mho]

One other thing. Some of you seem to think that it's your right to own a gun in the event of a revolution or you need to defend yourself from the Government.

Can I just ask, how in todays age, would it even be remotely possible to launch a revolution? So what, a load of civilians have some shotguns and rifles...what is that going to do against the might of the military and all its tech, should the masses decide its time for a revolution? What will your right to bare arms do in the face of being bombed to shit from high altitudes? Prehaps there should be an update in the constitution about having the right to own an F 14 Tomcat?

Im not saying you should have no rights to own guns, but I do think there are some slightly paranoid reasonings behind thinking you need to own a gun, and I agree that prehaps there should be some sort of training required to own a gun.

There's a few hundred thousand insurgents creating problems for the U.S. military in the middle east right now. Considering that what do you think the 80 million gun owners in America could do?

Either way, I'd rather have a fighting chance than just bend over and take it in the ass.

[PistolPete33]

First off we're not going to have another revolution. However, if we did how many of the soldiers in the military will flee and join the Revolution? After all how many American Soldiers will be willing to kill other Americans?