Obama and the NAACP

[BgMc31]

Do you believe that the reverse racist policies of the left such as affirmative action and quotas are going in the right direction to rectifying the race inequities? Race is a social construction, and I personally do not believe that the questionnaires regarding race should even exist on job applications of any sort. Additionally, I feel that Constitutionally speaking, it is the prerogative of the store owner/business owner/etc, to discriminate under any grounds he pleases, be it education, experience, the shirt you're wearing, the color of your hair, etc. I believe that would rightly fall under property rights.

I don't believe affirmative action and quotas are reverse racism. To deny that workplace discrimination or educational opportunities (or lack thereof) doesn't still exist today if foolhearted. If they didn't exist who do statistics prove that black men are paid less than white menfor equal work when educational background and experience are similar? Same with women and other minorities...

RIght i agree with you, but tracing your africian leniage to the slave trade further encourages/supports the notion in bold... and when blacks use that as a defense its hard to look past that...

Since when has this been a black construct? You mean to tell me Italian Americans don't emphasize their heritage, Polish Americans, Mexican Americans, Jews, etc., etc. Blacks aren't the only ones who identify culturally with their leniage. Plus very few blacks emphasize African heritage. Very few of us know of true African culture, unlike Italians, Hispanics, Poles, etc., we have no language or other cultural mores that are uniquely African. Blacks have a unique culture that is distinctly American but shared by only Black Americans and that culture was formed in the slave trade and continued post slavery, through reconstruction, Jim Crowe, the Civil Right Movement, and today with the inception of the Nation's first Black president.

I bet I can trace back to a time when my descendants were slaves...oh wait I think most of them were slaughtered in mass. What were they called, you know those worthless inhuman natives? Ah, not important...back to how the Blacks have been treated so bad...carry on.

And there aren't any Native American civil rights groups? Just because the African American one's make the most noise, they're a problem?

[MuscleScience]

I don't believe affirmative action and quotas are reverse racism. To deny that workplace discrimination or educational opportunities (or lack thereof) doesn't still exist today if foolhearted. If they didn't exist who do statistics prove that black men are paid less than white menfor equal work when educational background and experience are similar? Same with women and other minorities...

You may not believe it but by its very definition it is. Not that I dont agree that there is still racial discrimination or gender bias ect. You can take the very evil that has cause the problem and somehow try to harness it to correct the evil. Allow society to change whats wrong with education and understanding instead of punishing everyone else for the sins of the father or whatever. I must admit though there is simply no easy way to make sure there is equality for all. I dont think its a matter of complete equality at this point in our societies history. I think its a matter of improvement for all in the future.

[Panzerfaust]

And there aren't any Native American civil rights groups? Just because the African American one's make the most noise, they're a problem?

Like I said, the Indians are not human and deserve absolutely nothing. I truly feel it was 100% justified to invade their land and kill women and children and slaughter whole tribes.

Now the Black man being scooped up and boated over here and made slaves for a little while, now that my friend is pure injustice if I ever heard of it. We need to stand up against Slavery....Black Power!

[gigabitbucket]

what a thread!!!

[thegodfather]

I don't believe affirmative action and quotas are reverse racism. To deny that workplace discrimination or educational opportunities (or lack thereof) doesn't still exist today if foolhearted. If they didn't exist who do statistics prove that black men are paid less than white menfor equal work when educational background and experience are similar? Same with women and other minorities...

Thats absurd. Quotas AUTOMATICALLY preclude a certain number of X persons of a particular "race" from being hired, even if the person competing for that job has BETTER qualifications than the person of the "correct" race for that position, since a quota has to be filled.

Additionally, it is NOT the governments intended role to make people more "equal." The government in the United States is designed to create a fair playing field, not to artificially create 'equality.' It is the 'framework' model of government. Meaning as long as there is an equal and fair playing field, everything else is up to individuals and the private sector.

Furthermore, do you not believe that Constitutionally speaking, employers have the RIGHT to discriminate in their hiring practices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. Abercrombie&Fitch only hire good looking people to work in the front of the store. The Casinos only hire fit women to work the floors. So if an employer chooses to hire only a certain "race" to work at their store, is it not their RIGHT to do so? I think this rightly falls under property rights. The employer reserves the right to have whoever he chooses on his property, and to employ whoever he chooses, based on whatever criteria he chooses. It is an infringement of rights by the government to FORCE a business to hire X amount of certain types of people.

[BgMc31]

Thats absurd. Quotas AUTOMATICALLY preclude a certain number of X persons of a particular "race" from being hired, even if the person competing for that job has BETTER qualifications than the person of the "correct" race for that position, since a quota has to be filled.

Additionally, it is NOT the governments intended role to make people more "equal." The government in the United States is designed to create a fair playing field, not to artificially create 'equality.' It is the 'framework' model of government. Meaning as long as there is an equal and fair playing field, everything else is up to individuals and the private sector.

Furthermore, do you not believe that Constitutionally speaking, employers have the RIGHT to discriminate in their hiring practices based on whatever criteria they deem appropriate. Abercrombie&Fitch only hire good looking people to work in the front of the store. The Casinos only hire fit women to work the floors. So if an employer chooses to hire only a certain "race" to work at their store, is it not their RIGHT to do so? I think this rightly falls under property rights. The employer reserves the right to have whoever he chooses on his property, and to employ whoever he chooses, based on whatever criteria he chooses. It is an infringement of rights by the government to FORCE a business to hire X amount of certain types of people.

Constitutionally speaking you are right, companies should be able to discriminate if they choose to, and many do. It's their right as owners. Just like certain clubs, religious groups, etc., openly discriminate. But if it's government's responsibility to offer a level playing field, how do you suggest they do this without imposing mandates on hiring criteria. People will automatically discriminate based on shared/common criteria.

[Lemonada8]

Since when has this been a black construct? You mean to tell me Italian Americans don't emphasize their heritage, Polish Americans, Mexican Americans, Jews, etc., etc. Blacks aren't the only ones who identify culturally with their leniage. Plus very few blacks emphasize African heritage. Very few of us know of true African culture, unlike Italians, Hispanics, Poles, etc., we have no language or other cultural mores that are uniquely African. Blacks have a unique culture that is distinctly American but shared by only Black Americans and that culture was formed in the slave trade and continued post slavery, through reconstruction, Jim Crowe, the Civil Right Movement, and today with the inception of the Nation's first Black president.

never said it wasnt... i was pointing out that if blacks continue to claim they are descendents of slaves (which i have no problem), this encourages the notion of racism due to slavery... so in a way, this is a never ending circle around the bush...
No doubt that blacks have their own unique culture here in the USA, but that is not influenced at all by having their ancestors being from africa, so why continue to want to be refered as 'african americans' when the only thing in common is the color of your skin. That seems kinda racist there also.
and wouldnt it be almost insulting to the true african-americans to not know any of the history nor the heritage of the african people? Its almost being a poser in a nation of immigrants...
oh and if u r using the term 'black' loosely when u are talking about barack, that is incorrect... His roots dont trace back to the slave trade, his roots go back to the eastern parts of africa which were NOT included in the slave trade.. The Congo region was the main main part of the slaves being brought over...