first post, looking for info, i have read TONS

[Thechevyman122]

i respect yall so much, but i promise you, ever personal trainer i have talked to, every forum i ever posted on/read I am like a odd one. i will try to post up a diet that i was on, its just kinda hard since it was a year ago...

But i do understand what you are saying, but i promise you there is no way in hell i could get to 180-200, diet only. I will try to go back on the diet, and workout harder. I just wanted to accelerate my results, results that i have never really gotten before. thats why i was looking into something else. but if this isnt for me, even a few months down the road, that im glad i met someone to steer me in the right direction so fast. Thanks again guys, i appreciate it.

[Reed]

i respect yall so much, but i promise you, ever personal trainer i have talked to, every forum i ever posted on/read I am like a odd one. i will try to post up a diet that i was on, its just kinda hard since it was a year ago...

But i do understand what you are saying, but i promise you there is no way in hell i could get to 180-200, diet only. I will try to go back on the diet, and workout harder. I just wanted to accelerate my results, results that i have never really gotten before. thats why i was looking into something else. but if this isnt for me, even a few months down the road, that im glad i met someone to steer me in the right direction so fast. Thanks again guys, i appreciate it.

Of course not you gotta train hard and get strong so you have the muscle. Hell I was EXACTLY where you were in 2003, age 19, 150lbs all that. I didn't believe it either but I took the time to train right and diet right.

Little did I know I could achieve so much without drugs so don't sell your self short my man, you may not know what you are capable of until you actually do things right.

Again post the diet and training, I think maybe another misconception you are having is that you think this will be a short process of achieving that "dream" physique you have in your mind at 180-200lbs. Sorry my friend but the physiques we all look at in the mags etc have take 5,10,15+ years to develop. So realize to maybe achieve what you have in your mind will be a lifestyle type of investment.

We are here to help, so come back soon, with a diet and training regiment and we all will do our best to help you get on the right track but remember in the end YOU will have to do the work but if you seriously want it you WILL get there

[Immortal Soldier]

Diet is everything man, what they say is the truth. I am 21 years old going to FSU, and my diet has to be perfect to maintain my build. People see me and recognize my body instantly and you know its all good, but they don't see the dedication that goes behind it. Even with steroids, if your diet is not good you wont get where you want to be, there are people on here who are their 6th or 7th cycle and there body is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being what it could be. I know dudes who are big and are natural and then there are these guys who have taken every steroid know to man and are barely bigger than the average gym goer.

Let me tell you something, imagine this:

You do your first cycle you gain 20lbs (most people do their first cycle), anyway you feel good you come off your are going to most likely be lean unless you eat shitty food. So don't think "oh I have clen to burn the fat off" because chances are you aren't going to gain much fat on your first cycle, infact you will probably lose some and get leaner.

But here is the bummer, once you go back to your job in the summer (or once your diet starts to slip because of partying/studying/whatever) your gains will start to disappear because having a muscular body sucks because to maintain it you have to have a solid diet.

Once your diet starts going downhill the body compensates by destroying muscle for energy (which it LOVES to do because the body absolutely HATES extra muscle it goes against its evolutionary principles requires more food, energy, etc.)

I started working out at 17 years old 6'0 134lbs, I was a skinny depressed kid and in 4 months I was able to get up to 174lbs, it shocked everyone. There was not a person who believed I didn't use steroids and those included the people I trained with. I mean I was so stupid then I didn't even know what steroids were besides what the media said let alone where to get them. LOL I thought taking NO xplode would make me HUGE, and I barely had any cash for that. So I joined a bodybuilding forum and realized how much diet was important, so I ate and ate and ate and ATE till I felt like throwing up at times then as time went on I started to narrow down my diet and tweak it. I continued to grow and didn't touch steroids until my current age because I fell victim to the thinking that I couldn't grow anymore without artificial hormones. Which is such a shame because this is not what I would ever have thought I would become when I first started working out.

But far be it from me to say your too young, I speaking from this standpoint would advise against it, but where I go to school steroids use is rampant and alot of the times it is not done correctly at all. But I am not going to sit here and baby you and say your too young or whatever, I am not your dad or your mom. You're an adult so its your time to make a smart decision.