Tbol- Tired, Hungry, Horny............anyone else??

[JiGGaMaN]

I've noticed T-bol also makes me tired. I think that is due in part to the way T-bol thins out the blood. You may have noticed that you bleed slightly longer/easier on T-bol. Never have had this problem with var or 'drol.

AG

i would assume since tbol is a steroid it would increase RBC and therefore 'thicken' the blood. how did you come to your conclusion?

[almostgone]

i would assume since tbol is a steroid it would increase RBC and therefore 'thicken' the blood. how did you come to your conclusion?

It's not a conclusion.It's fact. I have several cardiac problems that I won't go into, but one of them is coagulopathy. I also have a Coumadin resistant gene, so warfarin based blood thinners don't work on me.
I was taking daily injections of Arixtra, a low molecular weight heparin, but it isn't advised for long term use because of it's tendency to greatly increase the risk of osteoporosis.
I opted not to have a filter installed due to the fact I have already experienced what happens when there is an implant in your body and a staph infection gets in your system ( in my case I had a bi-ventricular pacemaker). Had said pacemaker removed because that is the only way the staph infection could be cleared.
Anyway...back to your question. I ran a 12 week T'bol cycle and my clotting time was fine. I had my prothrombin factor checked weekly.
When I came off of the cycle, within 3 weeks my clotting time was such that they wanted to install a Greenfield filter.
..So, you tell me. It doesn't take much extrapolation to arrive at the answer.
On a side note, many T'bol users will tell you how easily they bleed and bruise....but that's all anecdotal evidence.
My statement is based on medical fact.

AG

[JiGGaMaN]

It's not a conclusion.It's fact. I have several cardiac problems that I won't go into, but one of them is coagulopathy. I also have a Coumadin resistant gene, so warfarin based blood thinners don't work on me.
I was taking daily injections of Arixtra, a low molecular weight heparin, but it isn't advised for long term use because of it's tendency to greatly increase the risk of osteoporosis.
I opted not to have a filter installed due to the fact I have already experienced what happens when there is an implant in your body and a staph infection gets in your system ( in my case I had a bi-ventricular pacemaker). Had said pacemaker removed because that is the only way the staph infection could be cleared.
Anyway...back to your question. I ran a 12 week T'bol cycle and my clotting time was fine. I had my prothrombin factor checked weekly.
When I came off of the cycle, within 3 weeks my clotting time was such that they wanted to install a Greenfield filter.
..So, you tell me. It doesn't take much extrapolation to arrive at the answer.
On a side note, many T'bol users will tell you how easily they bleed and bruise....but that's all anecdotal evidence.
My statement is based on medical fact.

AG

well, your story was also anecdotal lol. but interesting nonetheless. strength in numbers.

[almostgone]

well, your story was also anecdotal lol. but interesting nonetheless. strength in numbers.

Ok, then I will restate my case in different terms. My clotting time came in line while on T'bol and not taking ANY other anti-coagulants. I finished the cycle and within 3 weeks my clotting time is WAAY too long. My cardiologist and my oncologist (who was consulted because in addition to cancer, they specialize in blood disorders) both are at a loss as to why my blood is thinner while on T'bol but they both agree that they can't argue with the labwork or normalized clotting times while taking T'bol.
..and yes they both raise h@ll whenever they ask if I still cycle AAS.

AG

[almostgone]

well, your story was also anecdotal lol. but interesting nonetheless. strength in numbers.

I feel it's probably more useful since there is lab work to back it up rather than it being a post based on something that I read or heard somewhere.

AG

[marcus300]

It's not a conclusion.It's fact. I have several cardiac problems that I won't go into, but one of them is coagulopathy. I also have a Coumadin resistant gene, so warfarin based blood thinners don't work on me.
I was taking daily injections of Arixtra, a low molecular weight heparin, but it isn't advised for long term use because of it's tendency to greatly increase the risk of osteoporosis.
I opted not to have a filter installed due to the fact I have already experienced what happens when there is an implant in your body and a staph infection gets in your system ( in my case I had a bi-ventricular pacemaker). Had said pacemaker removed because that is the only way the staph infection could be cleared.
Anyway...back to your question. I ran a 12 week T'bol cycle and my clotting time was fine. I had my prothrombin factor checked weekly.
When I came off of the cycle, within 3 weeks my clotting time was such that they wanted to install a Greenfield filter.
..So, you tell me. It doesn't take much extrapolation to arrive at the answer.
On a side note, many T'bol users will tell you how easily they bleed and bruise....but that's all anecdotal evidence.
My statement is based on medical fact.

AG

wooow, do you still cycle?

[almostgone]

wooow, do you still cycle?

Yes, Marcus. Although I generally steer clear of 19-nors and my cycles are somewhat light compared to many people.

AG

[marcus300]

Yes, Marcus. Although I generally steer clear of 19-nors and my cycles are somewhat light compared to many people.

AG

How is your health and well being nowadays?

What meds are you on?

Does your doctor know that you cycle?

I wish you the best of health,

we dont know how important it is until its starts going wrong, people should really take note especially some younger user's on here with only one intention.

[almostgone]

How is your health and well being nowadays?

What meds are you on?

Does your doctor know that you cycle?

I wish you the best of health,

we dont know how important it is until its starts going wrong, people should really take note especially some younger user's on here with only one intention.

I get around pretty good. My physician and cardiologist are aware though they don't approve. As far as meds, Coreg, digoxin, atacand, maxzide....That almost covers the cardiac meds.

YGPM.

AG

[marcus300]

I get around pretty good. My physician and cardiologist are aware though they don't approve. As far as meds, Coreg, digoxin, atacand, maxzide....That almost covers the cardiac meds.

YGPM.

AG

Thanks for the PM, very much appreciated

[killagorilla187]

It's not a conclusion.It's fact. I have several cardiac problems that I won't go into, but one of them is coagulopathy. I also have a Coumadin resistant gene, so warfarin based blood thinners don't work on me.
I was taking daily injections of Arixtra, a low molecular weight heparin, but it isn't advised for long term use because of it's tendency to greatly increase the risk of osteoporosis.
I opted not to have a filter installed due to the fact I have already experienced what happens when there is an implant in your body and a staph infection gets in your system ( in my case I had a bi-ventricular pacemaker). Had said pacemaker removed because that is the only way the staph infection could be cleared.
Anyway...back to your question. I ran a 12 week T'bol cycle and my clotting time was fine. I had my prothrombin factor checked weekly.
When I came off of the cycle, within 3 weeks my clotting time was such that they wanted to install a Greenfield filter.
..So, you tell me. It doesn't take much extrapolation to arrive at the answer.
On a side note, many T'bol users will tell you how easily they bleed and bruise....but that's all anecdotal evidence.
My statement is based on medical fact.

AG

i was wondering why i have this nasty bruise thats taking longer to go away!

[almostgone]

i would assume since tbol is a steroid it would increase RBC and therefore 'thicken' the blood. how did you come to your conclusion?

Ok, Jigga. If you prefer an explanation from the profiles rather than my personal experience, the profile states that OT destroys fibrin which supposedly leads to increased clotting time.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199812

AG