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    the one which increases the ability of law enforcement agencies to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial, and other records; eases restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States- that one?
    The one protects you and your freedom?
    O yeah...it's ringing a bell now.
    3.5 more yrs of the socialist pig!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ni4ni View Post
    the one which increases the ability of law enforcement agencies to search telephone, e-mail communications, medical, financial, and other records; eases restrictions on foreign intelligence gathering within the United States- that one?
    The one protects you and your freedom?
    O yeah...it's ringing a bell now.
    3.5 more yrs of the socialist pig!!
    So you are willing to sacrifice freedoms in the name of a safety? Typical republican banter. What's the difference in that and stemming the sale and ownership of guns, then (which you claim Obama is trying to do? But of course he isn't). Aren't both in the name of safety? Make up your mind...

    Anyway, what about his other violations that I posted under the link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    So you are willing to sacrifice freedoms in the name of a safety? Typical republican banter. What's the difference in that and stemming the sale and ownership of guns, then (which you claim Obama is trying to do? But of course he isn't). Aren't both in the name of safety? Make up your mind...

    Anyway, what about his other violations that I posted under the link?
    Typical Republican banter? Because Hillary Clinton didn't vote for the Patriot Act. It would more accurately be described as typical neo-conservative/big government banter.

    Under Bush, we lost the writ of Habeas Corpus, tortured people in violation of our own Constitution and international law, lost the 4th amendment, the 5th amendment, and the 1st amendment(see free speech zones). The violations against the Constitution and civil rights were disgraceful. Although not novel, because if you look at any point in US history, there has always been a contraction of rights during "wartime" under the guise that it would make the country safer. The United States is no safer today than it was on 9/10/01.

    Under Obama, the practices of indefinite detention and denial of habeas corpus CONTINUE. Obama has conceded that there are some people who will NEVER BE CHARGED, because the evidence is so tainted against them because of torture, but who will NEVER BE RELEASED because they are considered "too dangerous." So the United States now deals life-term prison sentences to people without charging or trying them. Under Obama, he said we need to "Look forward, instead of looking to the past," which translated from political double speak basically means that he is letting hundreds of WAR CRIMINALS off the hook because it will be politically unpopular. Under Obama, the practice of warrantless wiretaps and searches CONTINUES, and under Obama the occupation of foreign lands and foreign intervention continues.

    Change? The only changes that happened in Washington were faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    Typical Republican banter? Because Hillary Clinton didn't vote for the Patriot Act. It would more accurately be described as typical neo-conservative/big government banter.

    Under Bush, we lost the writ of Habeas Corpus, tortured people in violation of our own Constitution and international law, lost the 4th amendment, the 5th amendment, and the 1st amendment(see free speech zones). The violations against the Constitution and civil rights were disgraceful. Although not novel, because if you look at any point in US history, there has always been a contraction of rights during "wartime" under the guise that it would make the country safer. The United States is no safer today than it was on 9/10/01.

    Under Obama, the practices of indefinite detention and denial of habeas corpus CONTINUE. Obama has conceded that there are some people who will NEVER BE CHARGED, because the evidence is so tainted against them because of torture, but who will NEVER BE RELEASED because they are considered "too dangerous." So the United States now deals life-term prison sentences to people without charging or trying them. Under Obama, he said we need to "Look forward, instead of looking to the past," which translated from political double speak basically means that he is letting hundreds of WAR CRIMINALS off the hook because it will be politically unpopular. Under Obama, the practice of warrantless wiretaps and searches CONTINUES, and under Obama the occupation of foreign lands and foreign intervention continues.

    Change? The only changes that happened in Washington were faces.
    Well played, sir...I digress. But I equate neoconservative banter to that of republican banter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31 View Post
    So you are willing to sacrifice freedoms in the name of a safety? Typical republican banter. What's the difference in that and stemming the sale and ownership of guns, then (which you claim Obama is trying to do? But of course he isn't). Aren't both in the name of safety? Make up your mind...

    Anyway, what about his other violations that I posted under the link?
    Then the NRA and just a couple (might be a few) others have misunderstood the zero you helped put in office...assuming you are old enough to vote.
    Regarding the link...not interested in your BS liberal shiit.
    have a nice day

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