oli thompson vs brock lesnar

[Hunter]

Honestly, I personally think of all professional sports, MMA is probably the most physically inclined and the quickest to learn.

A top notch athlete could certaintly compete at a professional level right now, with 1 year of full time training. Yeah you can do the samething in boxing doesnt mean your going to win.
People forget Forrest Griffen was a officer, with zero MMA training 4 months prior to TUF. thats false

It will be that way for awhile too.

Your top tier athletes have the choice of NFL, NBA,MLB, NHL, they can get full rides through college off these. They can play for 15-20 years, making millions of dollars a year, millions more in promotions.

Or they can drop out of college, try to get on TUF and make 100k, maybe a career with 10 million if they are one of the best in the world.

I'm not taking anything away from MMA, I think it's great. But it requires less skill than most sports, even boxing requires more technical skill and training.

Off the top of my head I can think of over 50 ways to finish a single leg i.e wrestling and thats not even trying. Bjj same way its insane, how many finishes to even an armbar. Before you bring up brock lesner he is an insane athlete and was a talented wrestler before that a corner store of mma.

why has bob sapp lived up to everything since a football player can come in and dominate or a talented striker like ludwig? Everyone under estimates mma techincal level.

[J-Dogg]

Off the top of my head I can think of over 50 ways to finish a single leg i.e wrestling and thats not even trying. Bjj same way its insane, how many finishes to even an armbar. Before you bring up brock lesner he is an insane athlete and was a talented wrestler before that a corner store of mma.

why has bob sapp lived up to everything since a football player can come in and dominate or a talented striker like ludwig? Everyone under estimates mma techincal level.

Bob Sapp is a awfully poor example.

He does not train MMA, he prides himself on his "beast style" of fighting because it's his nitch and what makes him marketable.... He has to stay 325lbs, and fight like a gorilla or he's just another guy rolling on the mat.

I've boxed since my young teens and I've trained BJJ for 2 years now, and even if you know every leg lock in the world, you can train to defend them in a fraction of the time it takes to learn them.

Athletic ability is very very important, GSP would be a crappy wrestler if he was not so athletic. He would not get 80% of his take downs if he was not so explosive and powerful for a 170lbs. Faber literally wins all his fights of sheer athletic ability.

Even Quiton Jackson use to be a consistent top contender in Pride with just raw athletic ability. He had some wrestling back ground, but he walked onto the mat and was the 3rd best in the state with no training.

Some people will just have that athletic ability to walk on and win, some can train forever and not ever be on top.

Royce Gracie is a prime example, the guy is the pitamy of BJJ skill. Has trained more than anyone his age ever could, he was born on a mat and his father put him in a arm bar before he breached his mothers vagina. He was completely dominated by Huhges who is consistently dominated today.

Mir and Brock is a perfect example also. Mir is one of the smartest, more dedicated athlete to the art of MMA, learning all the time, technically no one is probably superior to Mir, and no one has more knowledge than him. Yet he is completely dominated by a guy with 4 fights under his belt simply because he is/was bigger, faster and stronger.

[Hunter]

Bob Sapp is a awfully poor example.

He does not train MMA, he prides himself on his "beast style" of fighting because it's his nitch and what makes him marketable.... He has to stay 325lbs, and fight like a gorilla or he's just another guy rolling on the mat.

I've boxed since my young teens and I've trained BJJ for 2 years now, and even if you know every leg lock in the world, you can train to defend them in a fraction of the time it takes to learn them.

Athletic ability is very very important, GSP would be a crappy wrestler if he was not so athletic. He would not get 80% of his take downs if he was not so explosive and powerful for a 170lbs. Faber literally wins all his fights of sheer athletic ability.

Even Quiton Jackson use to be a consistent top contender in Pride with just raw athletic ability. He had some wrestling back ground, but he walked onto the mat and was the 3rd best in the state with no training.

Some people will just have that athletic ability to walk on and win, some can train forever and not ever be on top.

Royce Gracie is a prime example, the guy is the pitamy of BJJ skill. Has trained more than anyone his age ever could, he was born on a mat and his father put him in a arm bar before he breached his mothers vagina. He was completely dominated by Huhges who is consistently dominated today.

Mir and Brock is a perfect example also. Mir is one of the smartest, more dedicated athlete to the art of MMA, learning all the time, technically no one is probably superior to Mir, and no one has more knowledge than him. Yet he is completely dominated by a guy with 4 fights under his belt simply because he is/was bigger, faster and stronger.

Yeah he is athletic but its his timing that is amazing and the way he flows which allows his takedowns more then anything.

In a shit wrestling state. Do you really believe that would have happened in cali, oklahoma, minn, iowa?

That was not a prime gracie(not that it would have made a difference. Also hughes is a very good bjj artist and has competed and done well in no gi tournys.

Werdum, Nog, Penn, Mia all superior in techinque to Mir

[J-Dogg]

Yeah he is athletic but its his timing that is amazing and the way he flows which allows his takedowns more then anything.

In a shit wrestling state. Do you really believe that would have happened in cali, oklahoma, minn, iowa?

That was not a prime gracie(not that it would have made a difference. Also hughes is a very good bjj artist and has competed and done well in no gi tournys.

Werdum, Nog, Penn, Mia all superior in techinque to Mir

I bet you've never lost a conversation in your life