THIS is what's wrong with Republicans:

[Flagg]

One side IS better than the other. IMHO, sanctimonious hypocrisy is worse than ordinary hypocrisy, particularly when it's been the sanctimonious Republican hypocrites who have benefited in the past from passing laws that have made my life miserable (well, almost miserable).

These sanctimonious Republican Christian Fundamentalist anti-gay frauds have campaigned on their own supposedly "better morality" all the while they've been out bonking someone's young innocent unmarried daughter, and lied to their wives about what they were doing.

Democrats don't do that to me.
Democrats didn't kick me out of the military for being gay.
From what I've seen, Republican politicians have deep-rooted sexual problems; they hate gays and can't control themselves around women, and then they won't own up to their hypocritical conduct.
And after all that, they have the gall to say that I'm a pervert?

FTS . . .

As my little brother says, "Both Republicans and Democrats are crooks, but at least the Democrats will leave a little bit on your plate after they rob ya blind."

to Republican politicians

But Tock what you are doing is making this personal. So Democrats are better for YOU, there are plenty of people the Democrats are not better for, or does only your rights matter? Why not stop voting for either of these corrupt parties and vote for someone who is truly for ALL the people. Whether they be gay, foriegn, rich or poor.

Right now you are basically saying that the Dems are for the minority groups and the Reps are for the rich religious fruitloops. What about everyone else though?

[Tock]

But Tock what you are doing is making this personal. So Democrats are better for YOU, there are plenty of people the Democrats are not better for, or does only your rights matter? Why not stop voting for either of these corrupt parties and vote for someone who is truly for ALL the people. Whether they be gay, foriegn, rich or poor.

Any politicans responsible for policies that remove good soldiers in wartime to satisfy religious prejudice are not useful politicians. With the US fighting Arabic speakers, and interpreters in short supply, barring gay people from working with the military only helps the enemy and prolongs the war.

And what sense does it make to get rid of an army soldier who's so talented at what he does that he's awarded the title "Soldier Of The Year?" What moron decided that exemplary soldiers can't serve in the military?

I'm not arguing for any special treatment for anybody. I'm saying that when the Republican Party insists that talented gay people be sh** on and prevented from participating like everyone else, bad things happen.
When Republicans keep good soldiers out of the military, then someone else has to take their place. Maybe that would be you, or a friend of yours, or maybe someone who didn't want to go to war.

Any politician who supports stupid policies needs to be voted out of office, regardless of party. And any politician who supports getting rid of the Army's Soldier Of The Year, or who supports getting rid of one of the few people who can understand what the military's enemy is saying, doesn't deserve re-election.

Yep, it's personal because it happened to me. But it's more than that, because the negative consequenses affect other people.

[Tock]

Right now you are basically saying that the Dems are for the minority groups and the Reps are for the rich religious fruitloops. What about everyone else though?

I'm for honest politicians, good policy, mom and apple pie. Everyone else ought to like that . . .

[Flagg]

I'm for honest politicians, good policy, mom and apple pie. Everyone else ought to like that . . .

Then don't vote for the Dems. Likewise don't vote Republican either.

[thegodfather]

I'm for honest politicians, good policy, mom and apple pie. Everyone else ought to like that . . .

Not really, your previous posts in this thread all equaled, Democrats Good, Republicans Bad. A very blatant example of stereotyping. It is NO DIFFERENT than some bigoted asshole saying "All Gays are pedophiles." Not all of the 200+ Republicans serving in the House, and 30 serving in the Senate believe in the neo-conservative ideology that you and I oppose which unfairly targets gays and others. Even if the majority do, there are SOME who do not. So you have made an unfair assessment of Republicans. Then, if we consider all members of the party throughout the country, and particularly ones like myself who are champions of civil rights and strict construction of the Constitution, even less fall into this category.

Just as I am sure that you would be very unhappy if someone labeled all gays as pedophiles INCLUDING YOU. I am very unhappy that you are saying ALL Republicans believe in this twisted ideology when I certainly DO NOT, and many others like me who are a part of the party do not.

It is a shame that while trying to criticize a GROUP of people for their behavior, you are engaging the same behavior that they are allegedly guilty for.

[BgMc31]

Not really, your previous posts in this thread all equaled, Democrats Good, Republicans Bad. A very blatant example of stereotyping. It is NO DIFFERENT than some bigoted asshole saying "All Gays are pedophiles." Not all of the 200+ Republicans serving in the House, and 30 serving in the Senate believe in the neo-conservative ideology that you and I oppose which unfairly targets gays and others. Even if the majority do, there are SOME who do not. So you have made an unfair assessment of Republicans. Then, if we consider all members of the party throughout the country, and particularly ones like myself who are champions of civil rights and strict construction of the Constitution, even less fall into this category.

Just as I am sure that you would be very unhappy if someone labeled all gays as pedophiles INCLUDING YOU. I am very unhappy that you are saying ALL Republicans believe in this twisted ideology when I certainly DO NOT, and many others like me who are a part of the party do not.

It is a shame that while trying to criticize a GROUP of people for their behavior, you are engaging the same behavior that they are allegedly guilty for.

I thought you were a Libertarian, Godfather...

[thegodfather]

I thought you were a Libertarian, Godfather...

Ideologically I am a Libertarian in every way. However, the Republican party's ORIGINAL platform was almost solely based on Libertarianism. I am a registered Republican because there is far too much bias in the United States against 3rd party's to be effective. So I am pragmatic about the fact that in order to effect any change I have to do so within the Republican party. There is a rift going on within the party right now between people like myself, which they have called "Ron Paul Republicans," and the Neo-Conservatives like Lindsey Graham(R-SC). We are trying to effect change from within the party structure, and have been successful in putting our members in positions within the state GOP structures. The main goal is to take the Republican party back to its ROOTS and its ORIGINAL MESSAGE of limited government, non-interventionism, free markets, individual accountability, sound monetary policy, strict interpretation of the Constitution, and civil liberties.

Basically, when a candidate looks like he adheres to all of the ideals mentioned, which are essentially libertarian in nature. Ron Paul will endorse them. So the more members we can get in the House&Senate, the more we can start to push the party in the direction it once was. We have Rand Paul and Peter Schiff considering a run for the Senate, and several other people running for spots in the House soon.

That's why its rather annoying to hear disparaging remarks about ALL Republicans when there are people who are trying to make a difference in the party. Right now I'm only able to offer monetary support, but will become more active once I'm finally done collecting degrees.

[Kratos]

Ideologically I am a Libertarian in every way. However, the Republican party's ORIGINAL platform was almost solely based on Libertarianism. I am a registered Republican because there is far too much bias in the United States against 3rd party's to be effective. So I am pragmatic about the fact that in order to effect any change I have to do so within the Republican party. .

I feel the same way, if they could just abandon the God lovers as part of their voting base the party would be better off.

[Tock]

It is a shame that while trying to criticize a GROUP of people for their behavior, you are engaging the same behavior that they are allegedly guilty for.

Let me say this about that . . .

The Republican Philosophy as expressed in their various state and national platforms are quite uniform in their distaste and disgust for gay people, and express their hope and desires that gay people should forever be trampled upon and if possible, imprisoned.

As an example, here's the latest one's views about gay people from the People's Republican Republic of Texas:
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http://www.texasgop.org/site/DocServ...pdf?docID=5841

Marriage Licenses

- We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to

perform a marriage ceremony for such.

Homosexuality

– We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and

leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been

ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an
acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are
opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between
persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits.
We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values

Texas Sodomy Statutes

- We oppose the legalization of sodomy. We demand that Congress exercise its authority granted by the U.S. Constitution
to withhold jurisdiction from the federal courts from cases involving sodomy.
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Compare and contrast those neanderthal gruntings to the comparatively enlightened prose of Texas Democrats:
http://txdems.3cdn.net/85aa04579763d20cf0_9dm6bnhbo.pdf

We believe democratic government exists to achieve as a community, state, and nation what we

cannot achieve as individuals; and that it must not serve only a powerful few.
We believe every Texan has inalienable rights that even a majority may not take away
…the right to vote
…the right to fair and open participation and representation in the democratic process
…the right to privacy.
We believe in freedom
…from government interference in our private lives and personal decisions
…to exercise civil and human rights

…of religion and individual conscience.

Texas Democrats believe all people possess inalienable rights that are protected by freedoms

guaranteed by the Constitution, which places responsibility on our government to protect and
defend those freedoms just as those freedoms place responsibilities on us as individuals. We believe
in and support.
•

equal opportunity and equal protection before the law for all people;

•

full protection of civil and human rights;

• freedom from government interference in our private lives and personal decisions; and

• freedom of religion and individual conscience.

Supporting the Men and Women of the Military

Texas should demonstrate its support for military families and communities. We insist that our
military members on active duty and in the Reserve receive fair pay and allowances. They must be

the best organized, trained, and equipped fighting force possible. We encourage city, county, state,

and federal elected officials to review present benefits and determine how they can be enhanced.

We also demand truth in recruiting, including a provision that parental permission be required to
authorize the recruitment of minors. Texas Democrats support:
•

providing appropriate personal and vehicle protection for all combat military personnel;

•

programs that assist families of deployed service members in managing difficulties created by

longer and more frequent deployments of Guard and Reserve personnel; such as counseling,

debt service delays, tax deferrals, and basic needs assistance;
•

initiatives to financially assist families of service members who suffer an extended loss of

employment income due to extended or repeated deployments;

•

interstate cooperation to enable the successful transition of families forced to move from one

state to another, including changes involving public education, job searches, and health care

continuity;
•

preventing predatory lending practices targeted at military personnel and their families, such

as payday loans and sale-leaseback transactions;

•

a prohibition of a military draft absent a congressional declaration of war; and an end to

practices that change deployment and other terms of service for existing military personnel

in the middle of the game that amount to a draft in disguise;
•

the right of all military personnel to serve without discrimination, sexual abuse or prejudice

and the repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy; and

•

the right of female soldiers and dependents to have the same access to the full range of

reproductive choices and related services that are provided to others;

• adequate time off between deployments.

=============================

If Republicans had their way, I'd be in prison for sex with my sweetie. Lucky for me, they don't. I appreciate what the Democrats and their broader views on human sexuality and privacy have done for my basic freedom to be left alone by the police. For that, they get my vote.

Sure, nobody else gives a rat's butt about gay-related issues. There's lots of other issues that the Democrats are better than Republicans, for sure. Medical marijuana, for instance. I never liked it myself, but for medical doctors who's professional experience lead them to prescribe it for their patients, well, who the Fu** are Republican politicians to tell them how to practice medicine?

I'm not saying that Democrats are perfect, or even that they're pretty good. I am saying, however, that they're a lot better than the current crop of Taliban Republicans. When voting time comes around, I compare all the candidates, and any one of 'em that wants to put me in prison for being gay is unlikely to get my vote. That pretty well rules out all the Republicans.

[thegodfather]

If Republicans had their way, I'd be in prison for sex with my sweetie. Lucky for me, they don't. I appreciate what the Democrats and their broader views on human sexuality and privacy have done for my basic freedom to be left alone by the police. For that, they get my vote.

Sure, nobody else gives a rat's butt about gay-related issues. There's lots of other issues that the Democrats are better than Republicans, for sure. Medical marijuana, for instance. I never liked it myself, but for medical doctors who's professional experience lead them to prescribe it for their patients, well, who the Fu** are Republican politicians to tell them how to practice medicine?

I'm not saying that Democrats are perfect, or even that they're pretty good. I am saying, however, that they're a lot better than the current crop of Taliban Republicans.
[/LEFT]

You pick out extreme examples and then extrapolate that onto the entire Republican party. Once again, no different than if I were to find several instances of homosexuals sexually abusing small children, or finding homosexual sites that gave tips on how to insert various rodents into the rectum, and then saying that all homosexuals engage in this abusive treatment of animals.

I think both parties if you look at the policies they produce, are interested in regulating your behavior, they just have different reasons. The Republicans say that you shouldn't do X behavior (smoke marijuana) because its morally wrong and destroys the 'social fabric' of the United States. Then the Democrats say you shouldn't do X (smoke marijuana, shoot heroin) because it's bad for you and they want to "protect you from yourself." I mean really dude, 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

[Tock]

You pick out extreme examples and then extrapolate that onto the entire Republican party.

Extreme? Hardly. I wouldn't suppose you'd understand, since you're not gay.

You've never been kicked out of the military just for being gay. Never lost a job, never got run off from a timeshare presentation, never endured years of public school with the taunt "faggot." Never had close friends beaten by police (yep, it was caught by TV photographers), never lived in a community where police raids and abuse by government agents were commonplace. Never had close friends die from HIV and then have Republicans say they deserved to die. Never had an elected judge announce in the Dallas Times Herald that he gave a light prison sentence to a double-murderer because his victims were gay (and the judge was re-elected). Never had close friends commit suicide because they couldn't deal with the stress of the continuing BS.

Extreme examples? Hardly. I've been gay all my life, and I've seen stuff like this all my life.

All my life.

One of the high points of my life was hearing that the police in Texas couldn't put me in jail for having gay sex. I sincerely hope that you will have better things to cheer.

Once again, no different than if I were to find several instances of homosexuals sexually abusing small children, or finding homosexual sites that gave tips on how to insert various rodents into the rectum, and then saying that all homosexuals engage in this abusive treatment of animals.

Ya, I've seen lots of that crap too. Mostly from Republicans beating Democrats over the head for supporting equal rights for gay people and criticising Democrats as the party of immorality; and then those same Republicans get caught in adultery, rape, child sex, bigamy, etc.

BTW, that "rodents in the rectum" thing is an urban legend.

I think both parties if you look at the policies they produce, are interested in regulating your behavior, they just have different reasons. The Republicans say that you shouldn't do X behavior (smoke marijuana) because its morally wrong and destroys the 'social fabric' of the United States. Then the Democrats say you shouldn't do X (smoke marijuana, shoot heroin) because it's bad for you and they want to "protect you from yourself." I mean really dude, 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

Check out the progressive Democrats in Callifornia and Obama -- as a first step to dismantling the drug war, in California they aren't going after the folks using medical marijuana. It ain't much, but it's a glimmer of hope; it's the sort of hope that the Republican party doesn't inspire.

[Panzerfaust]

Let me say this about that . . .

The Republican Philosophy as expressed in their various state and national platforms are quite uniform in their distaste and disgust for gay people, and express their hope and desires that gay people should forever be trampled upon and if possible, imprisoned.

As an example, here's the latest one's views about gay people from the People's Republican Republic of Texas:
=============


http://www.texasgop.org/site/DocServ...pdf?docID=5841

Marriage Licenses

- We support legislation that would make it a felony to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple and for any civil official to

perform a marriage ceremony for such.

Homosexuality

– We believe that the practice of homosexuality tears at the fabric of society, contributes to the breakdown of the family unit, and

leads to the spread of dangerous, communicable diseases. Homosexual behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been

ordained by God, recognized by our country’s founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an
acceptable “alternative” lifestyle in our public education and policy, nor should “family” be redefined to include homosexual “couples.” We are
opposed to any granting of special legal entitlements, refuse to recognize, or grant special privileges including, but not limited to: marriage between
persons of the same sex (regardless of state of origin), custody of children by homosexuals, homosexual partner insurance or retirement benefits.
We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values

Texas Sodomy Statutes

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Apparently some politicians still have common sense.


What's next, allowing people to marry cattle, sheep? It makes as much sense as homosexuality.

[BgMc31]

Apparently some politicians still have common sense.


What's next, allowing people to marry cattle, sheep? It makes as much sense as homosexuality.

Do I detect of bit of hypocrisy in your posts, Murilo? Aren't you a "live and let live" type guy?

Besides that, your logic is flawed because animals, minors, etc., can't enter into a legally binding contract whereas two consenting adults (regardless of gender) can.

[Panzerfaust]

Do I detect of bit of hypocrisy in your posts, Murilo? Aren't you a "live and let live" type guy?

Besides that, your logic is flawed because animals, minors, etc., can't enter into a legally binding contract whereas two consenting adults (regardless of gender) can.

You just want to hold people down who love their livestock. All they want is to be married and be happy.