Originally Posted by
ganu
HEY DANCER THANKS FOR SUCH A DETAILED REPLY..HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THOUGH..IN RED
This is interesting..cycle tbol/var and bioidentical test cream
My test first week of the cycle was at 219.7 range 166-877
4th week it was at 536 ,6th week it dropped to 434 when i discontinued tbol and stayed with var for the last 2 weeks..
While on cycle you are using the cream, the amount of free test increases..ACCEPTED We'll build on that down there
My estr was at 16 then 25 and last week at 39..after 2 weeks of pct and no libido i went for a blood test and found that the estr was low at 10..and test at 241..so i understood that it was the estrogen that caused the libido death..
Not exactly, although low estrogen does cause labido to die so does high estrogen <<< thats a side note... your 241 is shit you way below the scale if the range is up to 841, you have little to no free countable test..AT 219.7 TOTAL TEST AND 16 ESTROGEN I HAD GOOD LIBIDO..NOW AT 241 TOTAL TEST AND 10 ESTR I HAVE LIBIDO DYING..SO YOU SEE TEST IS ABOVE MY SHITTY BASE LINE AND MY ESTR IS DOWN 6 POINTS WHICH IS ACTUALLY CAUSING THE LIBIDO TO CRASH Let go back at the time you had a 219.7 you were on your first week of tbol/var and bioidentical test cream so you have to into account although all those androgens may not be registering on the initial blood test (which jumps 100-200% a few weeks down the road) the tbol and var effect you.... although it is very much possible that low estrogen levels do/have a role, however IMHO your estrogen level does not seam that low to me
So either the serms nolva20/clomid50 or proviron @25 caused this estrogen to go low..but then proviron reduces shbg and for me it went from 8.53 (4th week) to 24.7 (2weeks after pct) range 13-71..so exactly whats the scenario here..if proviron is not working then nolva or clomid is killing the libido..but they dont reduce estrogen just block it at the hypothalamus and the pituitary..so whats reducing the estr..
Did you take proviron PCT and think your shit was gonna drop? I did that... proviron does not cause your HPTA to recover. Here on the boards there have been pissing matches about how proviron does not hinder HPTA, I said it before and say it again IT DOES HINDER HPTA... And everyone always says of proviron blah this and blah that..YOU ADVISED TAKING 10MG DBOL UPON WAKING..AND HAD SO MANY PEOPLE DIFFER FROM YOUR THOUGHT..WITH PROVIRON I HAVE READ TESTIMONIES OF PEOPLE LIKE SWIFTO AND OTHERS THAT IT DOES WORK FREEING UP FREE TEST BY CONTROLLING SHBG AND REDUCING THE HIGH ESTR WHICH IN TURN RAISES LIBIDO..IT DID NOT RAISE MY LIBIDO BECAUSE IT WENT BELOW RANGE BUT IT DID CURTAIL MY ESTR..SO FOR RECORD PROVIRON DOES WORK BUT DID WORK FOR ME AS EFFICIENTLY FOR MY TBOL VAR CYCLE..MAYBE FOR A TEST CYCLE IT WILL REDUCED MY ELEVATED ESTR AND RAISE MY LIBIDO the purpose of the dbol was in a minor effect the labido, 10mg will help labido, however coming off cycle your labido will drop for a number of weeks. You have to keep your eye on the big pic with is a month or two down the road, will your HPTA slowly recover, you can answer that in a blood test You are the third person I seen in proviron blood tests that sited this issue, if proviron worked we wouldnt have this thread... I respect many here but I IMHO disagree
My free test went from 18.51(4th week) range4.25-30.37 to whopping 48.86 in the 8th week..but total test fell down from 536 (4th week) to 434 (8th week)..tbol was removed from the equation on the 6th week so it could cause a fall in total test,but can someone explain this reduction in total test and raise in free test to such very good range..
100 point fluctuation is not that dramatic, a guy on 2-3g of test has free test levels in the 4000+ range... fluctuation of 100 is easily explained by the back of the cream ledger, you have to apply it evenly and blah blah blah or obsorbtion is not blah blah blah..ITS NOT THE 100 POINT DEFICIT IN TOTAL TEST BUT SIMULTNOEUS 275% JUMP IN FREE TEST WHICH IS MY QUESTION
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