conspiracy????

[Panzerfaust]

FYI, expose (to uncover, unveil). Espouse (that is what I meant, meaning to make one's own, to embrace as in cause).

With that said, your theories are so far fetched that it makes it look like you are paranoid and dellusional. Your oath to defend this country, while admirable, seems to be taken to defend a country that only exists in your mind. This country is capable of doing cruel things, but having a hand in killing 3K+ of its own people, that absolutely insane. I guess you believe in FEMA camps as well, right? Sometimes when I hear guys like you and Muriloninja talk, with your conspiracy theories, I'm beginning to think that it's people like you who we really need to defend this country against. And I say that with all due respect, because I think both you and Muriloninja are very intelligent people, just your conspiracy theories are nothing short of irrational.

Go read a history book. Goddamn man...I mean seriously. I find it hillarious that we can look at history and see gov't killing their own people being a very common trend. However, today we have America, a country that would NEVER do such a thing. No way jose! lol

Give me a break man...you need a quick read on some history and propoganda.

This country has had many self inflicted events that gained the support of the people and took the country to war. It's basic propoganda to do so and you better believe it works, it works way too well.

A few examples in recent History...look them up


Pearl Harbor - FDR knew that a Japanese attack was imminent, the Japanese had issued a delcaration of war to the White House stating their intent. This incident was used as a propoganda tool to gain mass public support for War in the Pacific and Europe. FDR had stayed true to our Constitution for a long time, we were only involved in the last few years of WWII. Our Consititution allows us to wage war if attacked, so off we went. There naturally more details behind it as well, but thats a good starting point.

^^^It has become public knowledge that we knew the Japanese were going to attack. Look it up.

Gulf of Tonkin - Something about Vietnam's Navy sinking an American ship. Only problem was that the Vietnamese had no Navy.


911 - Most of us were adults by this time, it speaks for itself.

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After studying Propoganda and its various uses in the control of a population. I see many references used today by the American Empire.

One of the most blatant was the basic Propoganda principal of turning lies into truth, as Dr. Goebbels stated

"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over"

Bush was actually extremely adept at this technique, of course he couldn't speak a full sentence without going blank, but he definately should get credit for utilising this most basic of propoganda tools.

ie: Weapons of Mass Destruction, Terrorists, Al Qaeda

"Iraq is harboring terrorists"..."Iraq has WMD's"

He kept it very precise and simple, and in that lies the brilliance of the propoganda tool of repeating a phrase until people begin to believe it. This tool and others were extremely effective and Goebbels knew that by the use of Radio broadcasting that he could reach millions of people.

Today we have TV, Radio, Internet...it is overwhelming what one can do with such tools today.


Honestly, I find it fascinating how easy it truly is to bend, control and manipulate the masses minds and emotions. The American people were so frightened after 911 you couldn't find duck tape on shelves "tape your house up", "prepare for chemical warfare"...we all remember that. Scared people will do irrational things..the gov't played on basic human emotions. Brilliant to say the least.


However, with that said I find that the American gov't is getting extremely sloppy and no longer go to great lengths to shield their blatant propoganda nonsense. Very sloppy yet these decades of effective mind bending continue to have such a great effect on the people that they can still get away with it.

People will wise up, more and more people are waking up, asking questions.

"When a people fear their gov't there is tyranny, when the gov't fears the people there is freedom".

I'm no anti-American but I will question my gov't, you know that gov't "for the people BY the people"? What are a people who do not question their gov't? They are mindless serfs that are only free in their own minds.


I never said I believed in FEMA camps, however there are many empty prisons and camp like structures all across America. I certainly wouldn't mind knowing what they are for?

I have said before and I will say again, the American gov't no longer serves the will of the people, that is clear. People standup and question policy, learn civil liberties, learn the Constitution. Afterall, alot of our forefathers stood up and died for the true freedoms we are meant to have. It took alot of courage no doubt and I do know that the American people still have it in them, they only need to be waken from this slumber of ignorance and disinformation.

[TITANIUM]

Go read a history book. Goddamn man...I mean seriously. I find it hillarious that we can look at history and see gov't killing their own people being a very common trend. However, today we have America, a country that would NEVER do such a thing. No way jose! lol

Give me a break man...you need a quick read on some history and propoganda.

This country has had many self inflicted events that gained the support of the people and took the country to war. It's basic propoganda to do so and you better believe it works, it works way too well.

A few examples in recent History...look them up


Pearl Harbor - FDR knew that a Japanese attack was imminent, the Japanese had issued a delcaration of war to the White House stating their intent. This incident was used as a propoganda tool to gain mass public support for War in the Pacific and Europe. FDR had stayed true to our Constitution for a long time, we were only involved in the last few years of WWII. Our Consititution allows us to wage war if attacked, so off we went. There naturally more details behind it as well, but thats a good starting point.

^^^It has become public knowledge that we knew the Japanese were going to attack. Look it up.

Gulf of Tonkin - Something about Vietnam's Navy sinking an American ship. Only problem was that the Vietnamese had no Navy.


911 - Most of us were adults by this time, it speaks for itself.

---------------------------------------

After studying Propoganda and its various uses in the control of a population. I see many references used today by the American Empire.

One of the most blatant was the basic Propoganda principal of turning lies into truth, as Dr. Goebbels stated



Bush was actually extremely adept at this technique, of course he couldn't speak a full sentence without going blank, but he definately should get credit for utilising this most basic of propoganda tools.

ie: Weapons of Mass Destruction, Terrorists, Al Qaeda

"Iraq is harboring terrorists"..."Iraq has WMD's"

He kept it very precise and simple, and in that lies the brilliance of the propoganda tool of repeating a phrase until people begin to believe it. This tool and others were extremely effective and Goebbels knew that by the use of Radio broadcasting that he could reach millions of people.

Today we have TV, Radio, Internet...it is overwhelming what one can do with such tools today.


Honestly, I find it fascinating how easy it truly is to bend, control and manipulate the masses minds and emotions. The American people were so frightened after 911 you couldn't find duck tape on shelves "tape your house up", "prepare for chemical warfare"...we all remember that. Scared people will do irrational things..the gov't played on basic human emotions. Brilliant to say the least.


However, with that said I find that the American gov't is getting extremely sloppy and no longer go to great lengths to shield their blatant propoganda nonsense. Very sloppy yet these decades of effective mind bending continue to have such a great effect on the people that they can still get away with it.

People will wise up, more and more people are waking up, asking questions.




I'm no anti-American but I will question my gov't, you know that gov't "for the people BY the people"? What are a people who do not question their gov't? They are mindless serfs that are only free in their own minds.


I never said I believed in FEMA camps, however there are many empty prisons and camp like structures all across America. I certainly wouldn't mind knowing what they are for?

I have said before and I will say again, the American gov't no longer serves the will of the people, that is clear. People standup and question policy, learn civil liberties, learn the Constitution. Afterall, alot of our forefathers stood up and died for the true freedoms we are meant to have. It took alot of courage no doubt and I do know that the American people still have it in them, they only need to be waken from this slumber of ignorance and disinformation.

Bro, you are def not afraid to speak your mind.

I'm really impressed by what you know.

I find it absolutely re-freshing!!

Keep it coming, you should be a military history professor.

I'm serious.

It's like you are the product of a Think tank or something.

Glad to see I'm not the only one that sees with open eyes.

Others think they see, but with eyes wide shut!!!!

[BgMc31]

Go read a history book. Goddamn man...I mean seriously. I find it hillarious that we can look at history and see gov't killing their own people being a very common trend. However, today we have America, a country that would NEVER do such a thing. No way jose! lol

Give me a break man...you need a quick read on some history and propoganda.

This country has had many self inflicted events that gained the support of the people and took the country to war. It's basic propoganda to do so and you better believe it works, it works way too well.

A few examples in recent History...look them up


Pearl Harbor - FDR knew that a Japanese attack was imminent, the Japanese had issued a delcaration of war to the White House stating their intent. This incident was used as a propoganda tool to gain mass public support for War in the Pacific and Europe. FDR had stayed true to our Constitution for a long time, we were only involved in the last few years of WWII. Our Consititution allows us to wage war if attacked, so off we went. There naturally more details behind it as well, but thats a good starting point.

^^^It has become public knowledge that we knew the Japanese were going to attack. Look it up.

Gulf of Tonkin - Something about Vietnam's Navy sinking an American ship. Only problem was that the Vietnamese had no Navy.


911 - Most of us were adults by this time, it speaks for itself.

---------------------------------------

After studying Propoganda and its various uses in the control of a population. I see many references used today by the American Empire.

One of the most blatant was the basic Propoganda principal of turning lies into truth, as Dr. Goebbels stated



Bush was actually extremely adept at this technique, of course he couldn't speak a full sentence without going blank, but he definately should get credit for utilising this most basic of propoganda tools.

ie: Weapons of Mass Destruction, Terrorists, Al Qaeda

"Iraq is harboring terrorists"..."Iraq has WMD's"

He kept it very precise and simple, and in that lies the brilliance of the propoganda tool of repeating a phrase until people begin to believe it. This tool and others were extremely effective and Goebbels knew that by the use of Radio broadcasting that he could reach millions of people.

Today we have TV, Radio, Internet...it is overwhelming what one can do with such tools today.


Honestly, I find it fascinating how easy it truly is to bend, control and manipulate the masses minds and emotions. The American people were so frightened after 911 you couldn't find duck tape on shelves "tape your house up", "prepare for chemical warfare"...we all remember that. Scared people will do irrational things..the gov't played on basic human emotions. Brilliant to say the least.


However, with that said I find that the American gov't is getting extremely sloppy and no longer go to great lengths to shield their blatant propoganda nonsense. Very sloppy yet these decades of effective mind bending continue to have such a great effect on the people that they can still get away with it.

People will wise up, more and more people are waking up, asking questions.




I'm no anti-American but I will question my gov't, you know that gov't "for the people BY the people"? What are a people who do not question their gov't? They are mindless serfs that are only free in their own minds.


I never said I believed in FEMA camps, however there are many empty prisons and camp like structures all across America. I certainly wouldn't mind knowing what they are for?

I have said before and I will say again, the American gov't no longer serves the will of the people, that is clear. People standup and question policy, learn civil liberties, learn the Constitution. Afterall, alot of our forefathers stood up and died for the true freedoms we are meant to have. It took alot of courage no doubt and I do know that the American people still have it in them, they only need to be waken from this slumber of ignorance and disinformation.

1st of all don't insult my intelligence because I don't see things the same way you do. I'm quite well read and know the history of this country. I've indicated my admiration for your intelligence so I would appreciate the same respect in return.

With that being said, I know this country has done some hateful things to its own people. Hell I'm a member of the group whose people took the brunt of that cruelty (slavery, Jim Crowe, Tuskegee experiments, lynchings, etc.). The point I'm making is you and people like you seem to think that at one time this country was "for the people, by the people". It never has! But if I rail on about how the "white man" has held people down for centuries, you will tell me to get over it and that we all have equal opportunity and everything is great. But now it's happening to white men and it's only now that everyone, of your ilk, is getting pissed off. So you can't have it both ways. Kinda reminds me of the drug game, it doesn't really matter until it affects white america.

We've got people talking that AIDS was a man made virus for population control and everyone is hoping on that as proof of a greater conspiracy, but when Rev. Wright said it, he was villafied as paranoid even though there is a history of the US government infecting it's minority populations with diseases intentionally (small pox with native americans and syphillis with african americans).

All this conspiracy theory is way over the top. But you are entitled to your opinion. I think all this paranoia is a greater conspiracy against Obama by the right wing extremist worried about the country being run by a bi-racial man. I think white men are scared that they're grip on this country is slowly coming to an end and now, according to you all, this country is going to hell in a handbasket. This country will be just fine. We aren't headed toward a socialism. We will continue to be the best country for years to come. But I do recognise the fact that there is a cycle to democracy.

Murilo, we already know how you feel about African Americans (by your previous posts), so my assumptions are too far fetched. Maybe I have my head stuck in the sand, but I am active in my community and I'm not seeing this spiralling downfall that you all are continuing to speak about.

[Panzerfaust]

1st of all don't insult my intelligence because I don't see things the same way you do. I'm quite well read and know the history of this country. I've indicated my admiration for your intelligence so I would appreciate the same respect in return.

With that being said, I know this country has done some hateful things to its own people. Hell I'm a member of the group whose people took the brunt of that cruelty (slavery, Jim Crowe, Tuskegee experiments, lynchings, etc.). The point I'm making is you and people like you seem to think that at one time this country was "for the people, by the people". It never has! But if I rail on about how the "white man" has held people down for centuries, you will tell me to get over it and that we all have equal opportunity and everything is great. But now it's happening to white men and it's only now that everyone, of your ilk, is getting pissed off. So you can't have it both ways. Kinda reminds me of the drug game, it doesn't really matter until it affects white america.

We've got people talking that AIDS was a man made virus for population control and everyone is hoping on that as proof of a greater conspiracy, but when Rev. Wright said it, he was villafied as paranoid even though there is a history of the US government infecting it's minority populations with diseases intentionally (small pox with native americans and syphillis with african americans).

All this conspiracy theory is way over the top. But you are entitled to your opinion. I think all this paranoia is a greater conspiracy against Obama by the right wing extremist worried about the country being run by a bi-racial man. I think white men are scared that they're grip on this country is slowly coming to an end and now, according to you all, this country is going to hell in a handbasket. This country will be just fine. We aren't headed toward a socialism. We will continue to be the best country for years to come. But I do recognise the fact that there is a cycle to democracy.

Murilo, we already know how you feel about African Americans (by your previous posts), so my assumptions are too far fetched. Maybe I have my head stuck in the sand, but I am active in my community and I'm not seeing this spiralling downfall that you all are continuing to speak about.

I most certainly apologise and do not mean to demean you. I wrote a massive response to this but I it is nothing that I have not said before or can be read about. Why should I do all the work?

You can just as easily read on these Elitist families that have been around for hundreds of years. The root of the problem has been and will remain the monetary system and the International bankers (Elite).

It is quite sensible to understand that he who creates and issues the currency dictates policy. They create money out of thin air and tell us it has value because they say it does. That power was handed over in 1913 and has escalated and was defaintely a great accomplishment for these people.

[BgMc31]

Fear is a sellable commodity...

-Frank Luntz, republican commentator and strategist

[Iron_Pig]

They declassified yeas ago a communication from the Russian's that japan was going to attack pearl harbor. The communication was sent to Winston Churchill from Stalin. The US stance was we will set this war out, Britain was putting up a good fight but they knew they could not go it alone and so did the Russian's. They needed the US in the war so to sell this to the people they Churchill,Stalin and Roosevelt kept it a secret And pearl harbor was attacked. So do you ask me if our government was in this hard to say.