HCG - How important is it?

[Swifto]

Good read. Some prefer to start HCG in the last 2 weeks of their cycle I included.

This can be done. However, a larger dose would be needed to get the disired effect of restarting the testes or "shocking" them. I think the best protocol is when HCG is used throughout at a moderate dose. This is also what Endo's seem to agree on.

[TITANIUM]

This can be done. However, a larger dose would be needed to get the disired effect of restarting the testes or "shocking" them. I think the best protocol is when HCG is used throughout at a moderate dose. This is also what Endo's seem to agree on.

Agreed.

I am a big advocate with HCG.


I actually run 500 iu's ed for 20 days at the end of the cycle.

It then overlaps clomid and tamo therapy by about 5 days.

Works with great results.

If I run it at , say 125 iu's x2 wk, during cycle, would it then still be ran at 500 iu's ed at the last 2 wks of the cycle???

[Swifto]

Agreed.

I am a big advocate with HCG.


I actually run 500 iu's ed for 20 days at the end of the cycle.

It then overlaps clomid and tamo therapy by about 5 days.

Works with great results.

If I run it at , say 125 iu's x2 wk, during cycle, would it then still be ran at 500 iu's ed at the last 2 wks of the cycle???

I dont think you'll need to run it again at a higher dose at the end of the cycle, no. That doesnt seem to be what Dr.Crisler suggests if its been used throughout 2-3 times weekly. Remember, too much will hinder recovery by raising estrogen levels (not only through aromotase) and progesterone levels.

[TITANIUM]

I dont think you'll need to run it again at a higher dose at the end of the cycle, no. That doesnt seem to be what Dr.Crisler suggests if its been used throughout 2-3 times weekly. Remember, too much will hinder recovery by raising estrogen levels (not only through aromotase) and progesterone levels.

Understood.

Great post, buy the way.

I will run it in this format my next cycle.

[depfife]

there are those who say HCG should not be run during pct. Could hinder recovery. Have you heard this? what are your thoughts T?

[Swifto]

there are those who say HCG should not be run during pct. Could hinder recovery. Have you heard this? what are your thoughts T?

Well, seeing as HCG mimics LH, the body may not want to produce LH when we're injecting a synthetic version, like it does with a lot of other compounds (feedback mechanism). This is not set in stone, but I would rather avoid it possibly happening. Use HCG as a pre-PCT and get the testes online before introducting SERMs during PCT is what I do.

[Aizen Sosuke]

This can be done. However, a larger dose would be needed to get the disired effect of restarting the testes or "shocking" them. I think the best protocol is when HCG is used throughout at a moderate dose. This is also what Endo's seem to agree on.

Agreed. The dose would have to be in the 500-1000iu EOD.

[BJJ]

This can be done. However, a larger dose would be needed to get the disired effect of restarting the testes or "shocking" them. I think the best protocol is when HCG is used throughout at a moderate dose. This is also what Endo's seem to agree on.

It would not be wiser for a novice on his first cycle to avoid putting to many drugs throughout the cycle?
Might be your advices more effectives to those who already have a direct experience and know the way their bodies go through?
I mean I could run a 10W cycle with Test 500mg EW (2 shots) and in the last 2W using HCG 500iu ED + Nolva 20mg ED. Then 2W rest and start the PCT with Nolva, Clomid and an AI on hand.
What would you do if you were me?
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

[Swifto]

It would not be wiser for a novice on his first cycle to avoid putting to many drugs throughout the cycle?
Might be your advices more effectives to those who already have a direct experience and know the way their bodies go through?
I mean I could run a 10W cycle with Test 500mg EW (2 shots) and in the last 2W using HCG 500iu ED + Nolva 20mg ED. Then 2W rest and start the PCT with Nolva, Clomid and an AI on hand.
What would you do if you were me?
Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

That protocol would work and should bring the testes back, yes.

Although I think (next time you cycle) using it throughout at a low dose is best. That way testicular dysfunction can be avoided.

I dont think its a question of using the least amount of drugs for someone conducting their first cycle. You want to be able to bounce back successfully and using HCG or HMG during your cycle is the most effective protocol.

[BJJ]

That protocol would work and should bring the testes back, yes.

Although I think (next time you cycle) using it throughout at a low dose is best. That way testicular dysfunction can be avoided.

I dont think its a question of using the least amount of drugs for someone conducting their first cycle. You want to be able to bounce back successfully and using HCG or HMG during your cycle is the most effective protocol.

Thanks a lot for your reply and suggestions.

[BJJ]

That protocol would work and should bring the testes back, yes.

Although I think (next time you cycle) using it throughout at a low dose is best. That way testicular dysfunction can be avoided.

I dont think its a question of using the least amount of drugs for someone conducting their first cycle. You want to be able to bounce back successfully and using HCG or HMG during your cycle is the most effective protocol.

I just read you suggested in another thread as well as in this one actually,
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581
to use HCG during cycle 125/250ius 2-3 times per W with an AI (in case needed).
Since I was suggested to pin HCG 500iu ED the last 2W of cycle + Nolva 20mg ED, what would you advise me as per your experience?
I mean, should I implement HCG on cycle with adex or nolva, which are my drugs on hand?
Thank you.

[Swifto]

I just read you suggested in another thread as well as in this one actually,
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349581
to use HCG during cycle 125/250ius 2-3 times per W with an AI (in case needed).
Since I was suggested to pin HCG 500iu ED the last 2W of cycle + Nolva 20mg ED, what would you advise me as per your experience?
I mean, should I implement HCG on cycle with adex or nolva, which are my drugs on hand?
Thank you.

You can run it in the final few weeks, but who's to say it works everytime. Again, you can prevent testicular dysfunction using HCG DURING your cycle. Thats the "roadblock" in restarting the HPTA post cycle. I'm not sure using HCG in the final few weeks of a cycle will avoid testicular dysfunction. But using it throughout will.

I'd use HCG/Arimidex at 250ius twice a week and PCT with Clomid/Tamox, Tore/Clomid or Tore/Tamox.