EQ Only Cycle

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I agree Dancer. As I mentioned in my first response, he could experience testicular atrophy and a fickle sex drive. He's going to get the atrophy whether he uses test or not, and even worse if he uses test. Adding test can only bring more sides with maybe the exception being more horny (which isn't always a good thing).

What I've noticed however, is people on this forum are quick to recommend test without discussing the potential negative affects, and I find that somewhat disconcerting.

I don't even think anyone asked his goals? Maybe he doesn't want as much mass as possible. Maybe he needs to make weight for some kind of competetion or something.

The main issue when using any AAS is a proper PCT. You can use any compound you want, as long as you know how to restore your HPTA after a cycle then it should be considered safe.

[Dancer]

I agree Dancer. As I mentioned in my first response, he could experience testicular atrophy and a fickle sex drive. He's going to get the atrophy whether he uses test or not, and even worse if he uses test. Adding test can only bring more sides with maybe the exception being more horny (which isn't always a good thing).

What I've noticed however, is people on this forum are quick to recommend test without discussing the potential negative affects, and I find that somewhat disconcerting.

I don't even think anyone asked his goals? Maybe he doesn't want as much mass as possible. Maybe he needs to make weight for some kind of competetion or something.

The main issue when using any AAS is a proper PCT. You can use any compound you want, as long as you know how to restore your HPTA after a cycle then it should be considered safe.

Do you have any studies that show adding test to another aas in a male will cause more potential negative affects? As you have stated prior test is an androgen and prior you stated it will shut you down worse than other chemicals, is there any data to support that.

I just do not agree with a few points. Adding test will not cause more mass gain that is a function of diet/lifting/sleep/cardio.

I also do not agree that low dosages of test will cause more harm when combined with another aas... But, I have learned from being on the boards to keep an open mind, If there is data to support the points I would like to study it.

I do fully agree with your point on PCT...

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Do you have any studies that show adding test to another aas in a male will cause more potential negative affects? As you have stated prior test is an androgen and prior you stated it will shut you down worse than other chemicals, is there any data to support that.

Absolutely:

With regard to introducing exogenous test:

"Endogenous plasma testosterone was suppressed to near-castrate levels."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3613857

For androgen therapy, hemocrit levels rise generously as well as RBC counts. Increased hemocrit levels are very closely related to CHD. It's all summarized here, just read the first half of the page:

http://books.google.com/books?id=kUD...age&q=&f=false

This could mean all of you on HRT are more likely to develop CHD.

[Dancer]

Absolutely:

With regard to introducing exogenous test: Suppression to castration level which is >200 while using exogenous test is public knowledge... hence PCT But thats not the point I know exogenous test will supress do you have any studies as was pointed earler that it will shut you down dramatically more so than EQ or Var or Deca or in combination with another aas

"Endogenous plasma testosterone was suppressed to near-castrate levels."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3613857

For androgen therapy, hemocrit levels rise generously as well as RBC counts. Increased hemocrit levels are very closely related to CHD. It's all summarized here, just read the first half of the page:

http://books.google.com/books?id=kUD...age&q=&f=false

This could mean all of you on HRT are more likely to develop CHD.

The differential increase in RBC count is 200% more so for bold, more over I hate to point out if RBC is a factor you are stating in usage of test then you will have to contribute 200% increase if you use bold... I will pull the study... That is also public knowledge that usage of EQ dramatically increase red blood cell count... but that is not the point.


Can you answer this from prior:

1Do you have any studies that show adding test to another aas in a male will cause more potential negative affects? As you have stated prior test is an androgen and prior you stated it will shut you down worse than other chemicals, is there any data to support that.

I just do not agree with a few points. Adding test will not cause more mass gain that is a function of diet/lifting/sleep/cardio.

2I also do not agree that low dosages of test will cause more harm when combined with another aas... But, I have learned from being on the boards to keep an open mind, If there is data to support the points I would like to study it.


Both studies listed do not answer any of the questions...

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If you're suggesting that adding test to an oxandrolone cycle will not suppress you anymore than doing oxandrolone alone, or if you're suggesting that adding test to an EQ only cycle will not suppress you anymore than EQ alone, then you need to do some basic research.

I doubt you'd find a study that detailed because it's simply a waste of time and money. You'll be suppressed to the level of the most highly suppressive AAS you use. Are you really suggesting otherwise? If that's true, a test only cycle, which is highly recommended on this board, would be one of the most highly suppressive.

It is common knowledge that various DHT and testosterone derived hormones suppress you to varying degrees. Just the majority of the testimony of people that have posted in this thread that have used EQ alone (including myself) verifies it's lightly suppressive.

Do you have any studies showing that the addition of exogenous testosterone inconjuction with other known mildy HPTA suppressive AAS does NOT further suppress your HPTA? This is the question that makes more sense.

[Dancer]

If you're suggesting that adding test to an oxandrolone cycle will not suppress you anymore than doing oxandrolone alone, or if you're suggesting that adding test to an EQ only cycle will not suppress you anymore than EQ alone, then you need to do some basic research. Please post a study that proves this, I can not find any

I doubt you'd find a study that detailed because it's simply a waste of time and money. You'll be suppressed to the level of the most highly suppressive AAS you use. Are you really suggesting otherwise? If that's true, a test only cycle, which is highly recommended on this board, would be one of the most highly suppressive. Please prove the point by posting a stating that a EQ only cycle is less suppressive

It is common knowledge that various DHT and testosterone derived hormones suppress you to varying degrees. Just the majority of the testimony of people that have posted in this thread that have used EQ alone (including myself) verifies it's lightly suppressive. define how it is

Do you have any studies showing that the addition of exogenous testosterone inconjuction with other known mildy HPTA suppressive AAS does NOT further suppress your HPTA? This is the question that makes more sense.

Here again can you post studies that suggest just EQ is less suppressive than Test? Define mildly suppressive and post studies to prove the point?

There is no studies and I have looked for them for years that suggest EQ is less suppressive than test. But, here again I am open minded please prove the point...

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Here again can you post studies that suggest just EQ is less suppressive than Test? Define mildly suppressive and post studies to prove the point?

There is no studies and I have looked for them for years that suggest EQ is less suppressive than test. But, here again I am open minded please prove the point...

Here again can you show studies that show testosterone is less suppressive than EQ? Define suppressive. Show me the length of the study and the different concentrations over time.

There is no studies and I have looked for them for years that suggest testosterone is less suppressive than EQ. But I'm open minded please prove the point.