Coming off LONG cycle

[GZA]

I was under the impression that I would be able to cycle and cut down to a low trt type level of 250 mg a week of test during my "off cycle" in order to maintain my gains in order to avoid the loss of mass associated with pct and continuously getting on and off cycle. I know many of the members of this board wouldn't agree with this theory but I have heard of many experienced users that do the same thing and since I was getting test at such a low price and so easily I figured "why not" so for more than a year I've been pretty much on cycle but it has contained three month "peaks" where I up dosages and stack various types of gear followed by three months at trt levels of just test... But now that my normal source (mexico) is drying up and the prices of what I can find are incredibly ridiculous... I'm starting to consider having to come off my long cycle and was wondering what sorts of pct might be needed for such a long cycle. I've heard that cortisol builds up if you run a cycle like this too long and the amounts that build up due to gear taking up all the receptors make it so that eventually there is so much cortisol built up that it is just as prevalent and likely to bind to a receptor as your gear and basically running a long cycle like this ends up being counterproductive... so you need breaks to clear out your system of all this cortisol, I don't know if this is true or not but I do remember reading that somewhere. I'd like to know what the opinions of the board members are as it relates to this but I figure regardless of the consensus, eventually I will have to go off... in which case I'd imagine some very major pct therapy would be in order, any suggestions on dosages etc? along with your opinion on If I ever should have ran such a long cycle in the first place?
Thanks in advance for all your help

[BJJ]

I was under the impression that I would be able to cycle and cut down to a low trt type level of 250 mg a week of test during my "off cycle" in order to maintain my gains in order to avoid the loss of mass associated with pct and continuously getting on and off cycle. I know many of the members of this board wouldn't agree with this theory but I have heard of many experienced users that do the same thing and since I was getting test at such a low price and so easily I figured "why not" so for more than a year I've been pretty much on cycle but it has contained three month "peaks" where I up dosages and stack various types of gear followed by three months at trt levels of just test... are you speaking about those who live "always" on cycles like coleman and so on...?But now that my normal source (mexico) is drying up and the prices of what I can find are incredibly ridiculous... are you sure what you get is legit? being so cheap?I'm starting to consider having to come off my long cycle and was wondering what sorts of pct might be needed for such a long cycle. I've heard that cortisol builds up if you run a cycle like this too long and the amounts that build up due to gear taking up all the receptors make it so that eventually there is so much cortisol built up that it is just as prevalent and likely to bind to a receptor as your gear and basically running a long cycle like this ends up being counterproductive... so you need breaks to clear out your system of all this cortisol, I don't know if this is true or not but I do remember reading that somewhere. I'd like to know what the opinions of the board members are as it relates to this but I figure regardless of the consensus, eventually I will have to go off no direct experience yet since i have to start my first cycle in a week or two but i "studied" a lot on these topics and i believe, unless you are on the next list for mr. olympian, to stop and make a proper pct. the good guys here will help you.... in which case I'd imagine some very major pct therapy would be in order, any suggestions on dosages etc? along with your opinion on If I ever should have ran such a long cycle in the first place?
Thanks in advance for all your help

Bold
Good Luck

[marcus300]

If you go to the PCT section and read the stickies it will give you an idea of what PCT is required, coming off a long cycle can and normally does have a hugh effect on the body and its own hormones, many dont even get full function back of their HPTA, some do! everyone is different when recovery is involved. You will have to do a aggressive PCT including HCG,clomid,nolva,vit e IMHO.

[alpmaster]

Run the test a little while longer while you use HCG to start getting the testes to start back up. Run HCG until PCT, then use an extended PCT of Clomid, Nolva, and Aromasin. I would run these compounds for 8 weeks total:

Clomid: 100/75/50/50/50
Nolva: 40/40/40/20/20/20/10/10
Aromasin: 20/20/20/20/10/10/10/10

Please get blood work before, after, and 1 month after PCT to see where you're hormone levels are at. It is essential since you are coming off such a long cycle to see if your HPTA has started back up and is working in proper optimal order.

Would also stock up on some Cialis if you're sexually active. Best of luck.

[ninesecz]

you should have thought this through a litle better before doing what you did? I mean how long did you plan ion going like this? and 250mg a week is really not even close to a TRT dose! That is usually 200mg a week.. MAX!! Just cause something is cheap and easily accessable for you does not mean you should just keep taking it and going crazy! Can I ask how much you have gained in this past year?

[alpmaster]

Besides potential infertility, what is so bad about running a TRT dose year round, with minor blasts in between? Blood work will show your health status, if that is a go then the only disadvantage I could see is what I previously mentioned. If you are honestly fine with that possibility, you have the choice and freedom to run test all year long.

[ninesecz]

first off 250mg a week is not a TRT dose... the average TRT dose is somewhere around 125-150mg a week. My dose s 100mg a week, I know some people get 200.. very few have doctors that will prescribe 250mg a week second Why would you want to have to stab yourself year around for the rest of your life if you did not have to? I know I have to and really would be much happier if I did not have to give myself an i njection 1-2X a week for the next 2500 weeks!!

I guess if you really want to there is no harm in it.. If you have a doctor prescribing it and get the proper bloodwork done every 3-6 months

[alpmaster]

You can't go crazy over 50mg EW, it's not like this extra 50mg over a max TRT dose is doing anything dissimilar to a 200mg dose, but TRT aside, a lot of people who chose to cruise and blast cruise on 250mg EW.

And oh boohoo about injecting once a week for life. I mean we'd all love to be on TRT past 35 and don't mind injecting once a week, but if we start in our 20s then it's just depressing? No, not really. Injecting takes 5 minutes from start to finish, and doesn't hurt at all, so stop trying to make this task that lasts a couple of minutes, once a week, seem like such a depressing ongoing ordeal.

[Chev]

Im cruising right now too, what kind of cycles did you run and what gains did you make?

[romo6]

You can't go crazy over 50mg EW, it's not like this extra 50mg over a max TRT dose is doing anything dissimilar to a 200mg dose, but TRT aside, a lot of people who chose to cruise and blast cruise on 250mg EW.

And oh boohoo about injecting once a week for life. I mean we'd all love to be on TRT past 35 and don't mind injecting once a week, but if we start in our 20s then it's just depressing? No, not really. Injecting takes 5 minutes from start to finish, and doesn't hurt at all, so stop trying to make this task that lasts a couple of minutes, once a week, seem like such a depressing ongoing ordeal.

I agree.

[fig]

You can't go crazy over 50mg EW, it's not like this extra 50mg over a max TRT dose is doing anything dissimilar to a 200mg dose, but TRT aside, a lot of people who chose to cruise and blast cruise on 250mg EW.

And oh boohoo about injecting once a week for life. I mean we'd all love to be on TRT past 35 and don't mind injecting once a week, but if we start in our 20s then it's just depressing? No, not really. Injecting takes 5 minutes from start to finish, and doesn't hurt at all, so stop trying to make this task that lasts a couple of minutes, once a week, seem like such a depressing ongoing ordeal.

He's expressing his personal opinion. Quite possible the OP shares it but never thought of it like that. Nothing wrong with you expressing your opinion but be respectful. This guys on nearly every thread helping people out.

[alpmaster]

I was very respectful, I'm just poking fun at how we all cry about this TRT for life scenario like it's so depressing. We're all fine with a 10 week prop/tren/whatever cycle where we inject every single day for some odd amount of weeks, but then BEWARE! TRT FOR LIFE! PINNING (once..) EVERY WEEK (sshh.. it only takes 5 minutes)!!

I think the way the majority of members here try to help is by scaring people away from the truth as oppose to explaining it.

[hankdiesel]

I was very respectful, I'm just poking fun at how we all cry about this TRT for life scenario like it's so depressing. We're all fine with a 10 week prop/tren/whatever cycle where we inject every single day for some odd amount of weeks, but then BEWARE! TRT FOR LIFE! PINNING (once..) EVERY WEEK (sshh.. it only takes 5 minutes)!!

I think the way the majority of members here try to help is by scaring people away from the truth as oppose to explaining it.

I think most people would like to recover after their cycle. That's all. personaly am tired of running pct and staying off for a few months. Cruising would be SO much easier. At 29 years old though I don't think a doctor would want to prescribe me testosterone right now and I don't want to have to rely on ug labs.

[ninesecz]

You can't go crazy over 50mg EW, it's not like this extra 50mg over a max TRT dose is doing anything dissimilar to a 200mg dose, but TRT aside, a lot of people who chose to cruise and blast cruise on 250mg EW.

And oh boohoo about injecting once a week for life. I mean we'd all love to be on TRT past 35 and don't mind injecting once a week, but if we start in our 20s then it's just depressing? No, not really. Injecting takes 5 minutes from start to finish, and doesn't hurt at all, so stop trying to make this task that lasts a couple of minutes, once a week, seem like such a depressing ongoing ordeal.

I am not going crazy over 50mg a week. but to be honest, just so you know most people on trt are dosed at 100mg a week. the reason for this is 100mg a week brings your test levels up around 800ng/dl for a normal person. My doctor and most will say the same that anything over 100mg a week is not really TRT because with what a dose of 100mg a week will do for your levels, no one would really ever need to be prescribed more than a 100mg a week. On top of it there are studies that show most people that use more than 150mg a week are prone to things like more water retention, gyno and other testosterone related sides. This is the reason most TRT patients dosage is kept on the low side. trust me I have spent hours going over this with my doctor and have actually read the studies. and I am not saying that pinning yourself once a week is a big deal but I will tellyou this and there is a lot that would agree with me.. if I could have normal test levels and not have to pin myself Vs. elevated levels and need to be on trt forever....I will take the normal levels and give the TRT back!

[alpmaster]

I am not going crazy over 50mg a week. but to be honest, just so you know most people on trt are dosed at 100mg a week. the reason for this is 100mg a week brings your test levels up around 800ng/dl for a normal person. My doctor and most will say the same that anything over 100mg a week is not really TRT because with what a dose of 100mg a week will do for your levels, no one would really ever need to be prescribed more than a 100mg a week. On top of it there are studies that show most people that use more than 150mg a week are prone to things like more water retention, gyno and other testosterone related sides. This is the reason most TRT patients dosage is kept on the low side. trust me I have spent hours going over this with my doctor and have actually read the studies. and I am not saying that pinning yourself once a week is a big deal but I will tellyou this and there is a lot that would agree with me.. if I could have normal test levels and not have to pin myself Vs. elevated levels and need to be on trt forever....I will take the normal levels and give the TRT back!

I highly doubt gyno or other estrogen related sides would ever happen at 250mg/week. And just as you would rather not be on TRT, some would rather not run PCT's and keep a lot of their gains.

Again, what I'm getting at is that we should respect some people's decisions to run whatever test dosage they want, as long as we remind them of any potential risks. You can't tell a smoker not to smoke, or a drinker not to drink, but educating someone, respectfully, is always the best decision.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Again, what I'm getting at is that we should respect some people's decisions to run whatever test dosage they want, as long as we remind them of any potential risks. You can't tell a smoker not to smoke, or a drinker not to drink, but educating someone, respectfully, is always the best decision.

There we go.

That was said perfectly bro.

[tboney]

I highly doubt gyno or other estrogen related sides would ever happen at 250mg/week. And just as you would rather not be on TRT, some would rather not run PCT's and keep a lot of their gains.

Again, what I'm getting at is that we should respect some people's decisions to run whatever test dosage they want, as long as we remind them of any potential risks. You can't tell a smoker not to smoke, or a drinker not to drink, but educating someone, respectfully, is always the best decision.

Where are you getting this????? I have in fact gotten the sides from 250/week. In addition, I know others who have had the same experience.

[The Deuce]

first off 250mg a week is not a TRT dose... the average TRT dose is somewhere around 125-150mg a week. My dose s 100mg a week, I know some people get 200.. very few have doctors that will prescribe 250mg a week second Why would you want to have to stab yourself year around for the rest of your life if you did not have to? I know I have to and really would be much happier if I did not have to give myself an i njection 1-2X a week for the next 2500 weeks!!

I guess if you really want to there is no harm in it.. If you have a doctor prescribing it and get the proper bloodwork done every 3-6 months

BOLD IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT

Ummm.. No when I first started TRT, I went through the process... Androderm, Androgel, then finally injections.. 100mgs EW... 200MGS ew... AND THEN when it still wasn't hitting correctly enough for my endo he did BUMP me to 250mgs EW.. For a short time... after I got my blood drawn with 700mgs coursing through my body he obviously DROPPED ME.. but to make an overall generalized statement that A DOC WONT PRESCRIBE 250mgs EW is wrong bro. IMO there is no REAL big difference in 250 mgs compared to 200mgs EW... AS far as bloodwork revealed in me at least.. I had a total Test Level of 770 on 200 and 800 even on 250mgs EW.. which is WHY he kept me at 250mgs EW until I went in Mid-cycle on a random blood screen and had a total test of 1183 .. (even though I knew a week prior and stopped the PROP immediately.. I am sure if I hadn't I would have probably popped over 2000 on the total Test scale... But I am not trying to call you out or start a pissing match with you bro.. you know

I have to take Test for the Rest of my life.. I AM 27 YEARS OLD.. not that I am complaining.. but now, even though I am currently on cycle.. I feel that it isn't working as much as it should (sex drive considered...) I am going to have to get some CIALIS ... I mean I am even on PROVIRON and yah I can still get going and all that happy stuff but it doesn't FEEL the same... I attribute it to the fact that for over 9 months straight I have been injecting TEST and my body has just succumb to the fact that it's there.. and it just doesn't MAKE ME THE RAGING HORN DOG it use to...

The only thing I notice is frequency of NIGHTTIME ERECTIONS... Whenever I wake up to take a Piss at night.. EVERY TIME... I am at full attention !!!

But back on Track here...

OP... You have 2 choices.. 1) go to the doc, have bloodwork done and find out if you really need TRT.. honestly if you have been injecting for a year.. odds are you wont be able to regain you Natty Test, but ya never know.. or 2) Follow an 8 week Pct Protocol involving EVERYTHING !! Nolva/Clomid/Aromasin/Hcg/Vitamin E-- Then go get bloodwork done.. if you do not have a normal TEST LEVEL AFTER THAT, Then ODDS are he will place you on TRT anyways...

A year on STRAIGHT has probably screwed yourself for life.. especially since you didn't keep it consistent.... You threw in EXTRA compounds.. fluctuated your Test Level and probably just fried it all to sh1t my friend...

THE ONLY WAY TO BE 100% CERTAIN IS BLOODWORK !!! So go get it DONE !!

I highly doubt gyno or other estrogen related sides would ever happen at 250mg/week. And just as you would rather not be on TRT, some would rather not run PCT's and keep a lot of their gains.

Again, what I'm getting at is that we should respect some people's decisions to run whatever test dosage they want, as long as we remind them of any potential risks. You can't tell a smoker not to smoke, or a drinker not to drink, but educating someone, respectfully, is always the best decision.

BOLD.. Is probably the smartest thing I have seen on here in awhile..

As far as the GYNO or other ESTRO related sides.. I have to agree with you.. IT'S NOT LIKE YOU SEE PEOPLE ON TRT regardless of their BF% or their health prescribed to an ANTI-E... It's just not likely... I have never seen it.. nor have I ever been prescribed or told that I would ever need it...

IN FACT I know a Guy.. 300lbs. 35% BF and on TRT -- 200mgs Weekly and has NO ESTRO RELATED SIDES !!! And he has been on TRT for 10+ years...

So that speaks for itself.. I believe ESTRO related sides kick in at 400+mgs per week.. but I suppose it is DIFFERENT for everyone...

Where are you getting this????? I have in fact gotten the sides from 250/week. In addition, I know others who have had the same experience.

THEN YOU AND THEM MUST BE SUPER SUPER SENSITIVE TO TEST... IMHO

[tboney]

Deuce, I got tons of respect for you but I dont know where you are getting your information?? At 200 and 250mgs a week of test there are many who develop estro sides... Go to the hrt section and you can find dozens...

[The Deuce]

I get my info from a variety of boards brotha.. I know we aren't supposed to talk about Other places.. But I am Quite Active amongst the community and if someone is reacting to 200-250mgs of Test as far as ESTRO is concerned.. well then, It is THE FIRST I have heard of it.. YES.. only some SUPER SENSITIVE people will but the MAJORITY BASE is no.. NOT A REACTION at that dose...

[GZA]

I knew this would have sparked a lot of controversy... every time i looked this issue up I always saw opposing points of view about it. I understand its more risky and was aware of the opposing opinions, the best I can take out of this is to maybe lower my "trt" dosage if that's considered an issue. My bloodwork is fine and the infertility thing seems like not the end of the world for me... however I did read of a study relating to this, in it some 1045 chinese men were given 500 mg of testosterone undeconate a month over a 30 month period (birth control study) after the testing all but two men returned to normal fertility levels...

[GZA]

thanks to everyone for their replies, specifically regarding pct I appreciate the help

[GZA]

as far as anyone wondering how my gains were... like always it was food related I didn't really see any improvements over back when I used to use pct except that I never lost much weight unless it was fat... and just used that time to "cruise"... for example i could bulk a tad more dirty without worrying about it because I could easily trim the fat later during my "trt" time without worrying about eating away at any of my muscle gains.. So i think what I really gained was not faster results, but rather an easier time doing it. I'm 6'2 270 my body fat is unknown but I'd suspect in the low teens seeing as though I'm only showing hints of abs... when I started this (not pct but gear in general I was about 180-190 about 3 years ago) I realize this was a low weight to get on but I pretty much learned about the importance of diet AFTER I started my gear and was like "hey where are all my magical gains?" I realize I learned the completely wrong way about that but if I had to do it all over again I'd do the same... I'm the type of person who learns by his own mistakes rather than what I'm told... I imagined that sruely i could gain 20 lbs or so without freaking out about my diet and I was pretty much right... but the thing is 20 lbs is nothing once you start seeing gains.. you always want more and higher quality gains.. that's what taught me about diet I guess and that's the only way I probably would have learned... mainly I can just maintain that weight without any hassle while on "trt" but that's all. when I think about it maybe that's a waste of gear I dont know.. I just hated yo-yo ing up and down in weight I guess... my confidence level was so dependent on it... heck i even feel more confident when i have a pump at the gym... any little thing matters so to me skipping the pct seemed worth it, I'm not sure if I was right but that's just the decision I made. I understand I may pay for it later, I guess we shall see

[meathead320]

At least you were just running injectable test. 250mg EW, not like taking a bunch of methyl orals long term.

So you just used a higher than most TRT level, and felt great doing it, but now want to come off?

Well if you cannot come off, then there is always TRT.

Otherwise, as I have been thinking about this for my own reasons too, maybe ruining 500iu of HCG 2x EW, for at least 30 days, maybe 60, while still using the test, and then going off all injections after that month or two, and switching to climd and nolva like what has already been suggested above, and then after an 8 week course of them, just being off for a while, a couple months and then get some blood work done?

Is your ego still dependent on that lean 270?

For me, while I prefer to be 215 and about 15% bodyfat (only 5'9"), I could live without it if I have to. Hence why I am thinking abotu coming off after almost 2 years on. Well there was a short break in there of HCG and clomid just to store sperm at a cryolab, but other than that 6 months ago, I have been cruising back and forth between 100mg and 200mg EW. Sometimes I'm at 100, other times if I'm feeling more motivated 200.

Anyhow, I guess I have been losing the desire to be extra jacked. If I just looked like the average guy who lifts weights regularly, but not "hardcore" at all, I would honestly deal with it. I'm not quite past the coin flip, but thinking about going off.

[tboney]

I get my info from a variety of boards brotha.. I know we aren't supposed to talk about Other places.. But I am Quite Active amongst the community and if someone is reacting to 200-250mgs of Test as far as ESTRO is concerned.. well then, It is THE FIRST I have heard of it.. YES.. only some SUPER SENSITIVE people will but the MAJORITY BASE is no.. NOT A REACTION at that dose...

As I said, go to the hrt section and you can read about many many people having estro related sides from 250 mgs a week of test...

[tboney]

as far as anyone wondering how my gains were... like always it was food related I didn't really see any improvements over back when I used to use pct except that I never lost much weight unless it was fat... and just used that time to "cruise"... for example i could bulk a tad more dirty without worrying about it because I could easily trim the fat later during my "trt" time without worrying about eating away at any of my muscle gains.. So i think what I really gained was not faster results, but rather an easier time doing it. I'm 6'2 270 my body fat is unknown but I'd suspect in the low teens seeing as though I'm only showing hints of abs... when I started this (not pct but gear in general I was about 180-190 about 3 years ago) I realize this was a low weight to get on but I pretty much learned about the importance of diet AFTER I started my gear and was like "hey where are all my magical gains?" I realize I learned the completely wrong way about that but if I had to do it all over again I'd do the same... I'm the type of person who learns by his own mistakes rather than what I'm told... I imagined that sruely i could gain 20 lbs or so without freaking out about my diet and I was pretty much right... but the thing is 20 lbs is nothing once you start seeing gains.. you always want more and higher quality gains.. that's what taught me about diet I guess and that's the only way I probably would have learned... mainly I can just maintain that weight without any hassle while on "trt" but that's all. when I think about it maybe that's a waste of gear I dont know.. I just hated yo-yo ing up and down in weight I guess... my confidence level was so dependent on it... heck i even feel more confident when i have a pump at the gym... any little thing matters so to me skipping the pct seemed worth it, I'm not sure if I was right but that's just the decision I made. I understand I may pay for it later, I guess we shall see

Hopefully it will work out for you. Just pay attention to your body and if you have any symptoms that would indicate your estro is to high, get on an ai..

[BG]

I highly doubt gyno or other estrogen related sides would ever happen at 250mg/week. And just as you would rather not be on TRT, some would rather not run PCT's and keep a lot of their gains.

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Your wrong in so many ways, pretty much almost all of them. Theres a huge difference in 50mgs when it comes to trt, why dont you go talk to an endo. I can tell a huge difference in water retention when Im at 200mgs or 150. This is why when summer comes I drop my test down to as low as I can while still maintain a farely good libido. Now by keeping your test up high and not coming off makes gains alot harder the next time around, trust me !! All of the excess chemicals and hormones in your body already then you raise up more theres no time your body has cleaned out and returned to normal. Your body is incredible, it adapts very fast to changes. Boo-hoo-hoo, shots every week for the rest of your life does suck, 5 years in and I regret it, I just tried to come off but I could not get my libido to come back around, suc'd horrible.
When you get older you will want to be clean, trt will lose it glamour after a while, be smart.

[BG]

I'm 6'2 270 my body fat is unknown but I'd suspect in the low teens seeing as though I'm only showing hints of abs... when I started this (not pct but gear in general I was about 180-190 about 3 years ago) I realize this was a low weight to get on but I pretty much learned about the importance of diet AFTER I started my gear and was like "hey where are all my magical gains?"

Post some pics, I bet your 20% and above. Im 12-14 in my avy....

[Chev]

I have a question for the "cruisers", did anyone have problems starting a family after being on for so long? no trying to hyjack, just curious. Thinking of cruising, i have 1 kiddo now and want 1 more. thanks guys

[BG]

I have a question for the "cruisers", did anyone have problems starting a family after being on for so long? no trying to hyjack, just curious. Thinking of cruising, i have 1 kiddo now and want 1 more. thanks guys

By cruising your taking the chance of having ed...your dic doesnt work...no kids...also your wife will probably leave you.

[tboney]

By cruising your taking the chance of having ed...your dic doesnt work...no kids...also your wife will probably leave you.

God you just scared the shit out of me! I am a week from my last shot of test before pct. It was a 22 week cycle.

[Chev]

By cruising your taking the chance of having ed...your dic doesnt work...no kids...also your wife will probably leave you.

I was being serious, just trying to get some info.

[Schmidty]

Home brew trt if ur worried ur source is dryn up. buy 100g of test powder and make 5 or so at a time and set them aside just for TRT. im doin 125mg-150mg a wk for TRT, im 21 yrs old and i dont plan on coming off ever again. i had blood work done awhile back and i have low test and thyroid, my endo wanted me to go in2x a month for injections but my insurance wouldnt pay a cent for it so i started juicing. I ran a cycle starting back in feb and now im just on my TRT, have been for the past month and will be for another month. i dont want kids as my fiance is diabetic and i have hep-c. the only worrie i have is getting deployed as im in the army. I got ppl that will mail it to me but its still a risk and i would hate to run out of test in afganistan or sum othe ****n place i got ppl tryn to blow me up lol. i use to lose a lot durring my pct cause even when my natty test was restored it was still low but now i dont worrie about it. i havent lost much on TRT from my cycle but im gona run a lil bit of dnp right before my cycle to get the rebound of it and slingshot forword with blasting gear and insulin, maybe gh. wow thats a lot of info u didnt ask for lmao

[Schmidty]

I have a question for the "cruisers", did anyone have problems starting a family after being on for so long? no trying to hyjack, just curious. Thinking of cruising, i have 1 kiddo now and want 1 more. thanks guys

i know a few ppl that got girls prego while they were on cycle. One of them is 46yrs old been doin gear since he was 17 off and on but he dont ever run test he does HIGH doses of deca tren primo eq and winny but hes got two kids n said he got both chicks pregnant when he was on ovr a gram of deca

[Chev]

Thanks for the info.

[alpmaster]

By cruising your taking the chance of having ed...your dic doesnt work...no kids...also your wife will probably leave you.

Why would you have ed from cruising?

[BG]

I was being serious, just trying to get some info.

Me too.

[BG]

Why would you have ed from cruising?

Being shut down and not being able to recover. Think about it, if you cycle and cruise 3 times, how long will you be surpressing yourself for?

[alpmaster]

Uh, I guess I was thinking cruising and blasting was something else...

By cruising, I mean a minimum TRT dosage of test indefinitely. I see no point in cruising after a cycle if you are going to come off at some point, that would just make recovery extremely hard. I think if you've made the choice to cruise and blast, you better just accept TRT for life.

[meathead320]

Being shut down and not being able to recover. Think about it, if you cycle and cruise 3 times, how long will you be surpressing yourself for?

What I think he meant was how would someone have ED if they are still on test at 100mg EW as TRT.

In other words, why would anyone have ED at a conservative TRT dose?

What I think you meant by having ED, as in not being able to get your natty testosterone to recover if you go "off" of everything.