HCG - How important is it?

[Swifto]

how so?? why would you need to use a bigger dosis of HCG? if 250 ui e5d can keep your endogenous T production going on, why would you need more??

250ius will maintain endogenous testosterone. That doesnt mean it will prevent labido problems whilst on progestins such as Deca/Tren. It maintains endogenous T, thats not up for debate IMHO. What is up for debate is how much HCG you'de need administer to replicate exogenous testosterone levels. I suspect you'de need to higher dose and risk desensitisation.

if the HCG can keep your endogenous T production while on roids, then heck, why in the hell do we need PCT if your body never stops making test? to combat strgones? if we are using Deca, there wont be too many estrogens going around, hell, add letro to the cycle, and you wont have stronges, your body will still make test, so there you go.. we are fine... no PCT needed.

No, its not that simple. Re-read my first post in this thread. Its clear you dont understand it. Also, read my PCT Sticky.

HCG will prevent testicular dysfunction. We still need to use SERMs to bring back the hypothalamus and get endogenous testosterone prodcution back (naturally) to basline post cycle.

Lets put aside the fact that of course will be better to use test, but in theory, using Deca and HCG during cycle will be able to prevent libido problems for example?

I have no idea and wouldnt risk it. You have to remember how quickly progestins cause HPTA shutdown. They activate both the AR and PR in the hypothalamus. Some even have labido issues on progestins when using exogenous testosterone. Again, running Deca/HCG isnt a wise choice. Adding a testosterone compound and supplementing with HCG for the reasons this thread was written, is.

HCG isnt a cycle in itself, its meerly an additive (and good one at that) in making recovery easier.

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[roid_rage]

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I guess it is to determinate how much endogenous T is produce by your body then.

[Swifto]

I guess it is to determinate how much endogenous T is produce by your body then.

Even then, whats the point? How can you be sure you'de be attaining stable blood plasma concentrations?

Test Enanthate at 600mg/wk, for example, will get your total T upto around 2750-3000. If your wanting to replicate that using HCG, your going to need a lot of it IMHO. Then your risking leydig cell desensitisation and desensitisation to the bodies own LH during PCT.

HCG isnt a substitute for exogenous testosterone.

Its a bullshit idea anyway you look at it.

[Fit N Fun]

if we are using Deca, there wont be too many estrogens going around.

Congratulations Swifto on a fantastic thread.

I use Trentest 300 (has 200mg/ml of test Cypionate and 100 mg/ml test Enanthate) @ 1ml per week

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Deca Nandrodex 300 ( has 300mg/ml Nandrolone Decanoate ) @ 1ml per week.

I was not aware of this thread before, but through experimentation had settled on 500 iu / week HCG from a few weeks in till the end of the cycle and it works great, just like you say it does.

Reading the thread, my question is combining Deca and HCG appeared to not have your complete approval and would appreciate your thoughts.