huge vs fast....

[J-Dogg]

Honestly it's a no-brainer. Bruce Lee was a trained fighter and Arnold was a trained bodybuilder. Arnold trained to build a Great physique while Bruce trained to break down great physiques. HAHA

You would stand a better chance fighting Arnold than Bruce.

However, if you took two top MMA fighters with equal skills and one weights 150lbs. and the other 250lbs. the 250lber would prob. do a lot more damage and be harder to fight.

This is the reason the UFC has added weight classes. When the talent pool increases then weight has a lot more to do with winning. This is why fighters will cut 15-25lbs. of weight before the fight so on fight night they have a huge advantage.

I think as the talent pool increases, it helps the little guy.

Some big guys just like to get punched around and are actually just pussies in a 250lb body.

Brock Lesnar is not a notoriously well trained MMA fighter, but he does not fight with a style like Bob Sapp. And Brock is beating guys who are smaller, and everyone can see, it's just sheer size and power that is allowing him to dominate most of them.

If you fight simply depending on size to over come your opponets, you get a fighting record like Bob Sapp (who still managed to beat Ernesto Hoost twice) but if you have some game plan, and are fighting to WIN, if you are committed to it, that size and strength works in your favor.

[terraj]

I think as the talent pool increases, it helps the little guy.

Some big guys just like to get punched around and are actually just pussies in a 250lb body.

Brock Lesnar is not a notoriously well trained MMA fighter, but he does not fight with a style like Bob Sapp. And Brock is beating guys who are smaller, and everyone can see, it's just sheer size and power that is allowing him to dominate most of them.

If you fight simply depending on size to over come your opponets, you get a fighting record like Bob Sapp (who still managed to beat Ernesto Hoost twice) but if you have some game plan, and are fighting to WIN, if you are committed to it, that size and strength works in your favor.

You got idea what talking about mate.
Sapp V Hoost was K1....and it's a small ring when shared with Bob Sapp, Hoost, who I have met several times, lost the second fight because he was dumb and wanted to prove something. He had the fight in the bag!
Brock, that guy is top class on the ground! Do you think wrestling is all strengh?

[J-Dogg]

You got idea what talking about mate.
Sapp V Hoost was K1....and it's a small ring when shared with Bob Sapp, Hoost, who I have met several times, lost the second fight because he was dumb and wanted to prove something. He had the fight in the bag!
Brock, that guy is top class on the ground! Do you think wrestling is all strengh?

Ya, I suppose I'm just some newb, knows nothing, yet I'm the one saying 9 times out of 10, the smaller guy wins.

Do I think Wrestling is ALL strength?

Exactly where do I say that? You suck at making a point, no harm intended, but no where do I say strength will WIN you a fight. What I do say, is it's a HELPFUL tool in a fight.

Would Brock be a D1 champ if he was not so big and athletic? There is a good chance he would not be.

Would Bob Sapp ever beat Hoost if he was the same size? Probably NOT

I'm glad Ernesto was nice enough to give you a autograph, but that does not impress me enough that I'll believe that size and strength is not a benefit in a fight. (now remember, I said benefit, not everything)

[terraj]

Ya, I suppose I'm just some newb, knows nothing, yet I'm the one saying 9 times out of 10, the smaller guy wins.

Do I think Wrestling is ALL strength?

Exactly where do I say that? You suck at making a point, no harm intended, but no where do I say strength will WIN you a fight. What I do say, is it's a HELPFUL tool in a fight.

Would Brock be a D1 champ if he was not so big and athletic? There is a good chance he would not be.

Would Bob Sapp ever beat Hoost if he was the same size? Probably NOT

I'm glad Ernesto was nice enough to give you a autograph, but that does not impress me enough that I'll believe that size and strength is not a benefit in a fight. (now remember, I said benefit, not everything)

Sorry to come across like a dick.
I agree with what you say, you just used poor examples, IMO.

[PistolPete33]

I think as the talent pool increases, it helps the little guy.

Some big guys just like to get punched around and are actually just pussies in a 250lb body.

Brock Lesnar is not a notoriously well trained MMA fighter, but he does not fight with a style like Bob Sapp. And Brock is beating guys who are smaller, and everyone can see, it's just sheer size and power that is allowing him to dominate most of them.

If you fight simply depending on size to over come your opponets, you get a fighting record like Bob Sapp (who still managed to beat Ernesto Hoost twice) but if you have some game plan, and are fighting to WIN, if you are committed to it, that size and strength works in your favor.

I'm not a fan of Brock Lesnar but to say he only wins because of his size is inaccurate. He was a national NCAA Division 1 champion so he has a LOT of skill. Is he the best Mixed Martial Artists? No, but he is a skilled fighter. When he gains experience we'll see what happens. He moves quickly esp. for his size. If you put him against GSP he would prob. still win. Here is a perfect example that GSP is hands-down a more skilled fighter for sure but Brock has so much more size that he would prob. win. However, if they were of equal weight then GSP would be the winner for sure. This is why they talk a lot about Pound for Pound best fighter. That person is prob. Andersen Silva at the moment.

But, you can look back to UFC 1-3 where Royce Gracie dominated everyone he fought at only 170lbs. However, his skill level was higher than his competition because they were all 1 dimensional. Now, you put Royce back in the cage and he is too 1 dimensional and would prob. lose like he did a few years ago to Matt Hughes.

[J-Dogg]

I'm not a fan of Brock Lesnar but to say he only wins because of his size is inaccurate. He was a national NCAA Division 1 champion so he has a LOT of skill. Is he the best Mixed Martial Artists? No, but he is a skilled fighter. When he gains experience we'll see what happens. He moves quickly esp. for his size. If you put him against GSP he would prob. still win. Here is a perfect example that GSP is hands-down a more skilled fighter for sure but Brock has so much more size that he would prob. win. However, if they were of equal weight then GSP would be the winner for sure. This is why they talk a lot about Pound for Pound best fighter. That person is prob. Andersen Silva at the moment.

But, you can look back to UFC 1-3 where Royce Gracie dominated everyone he fought at only 170lbs. However, his skill level was higher than his competition because they were all 1 dimensional. Now, you put Royce back in the cage and he is too 1 dimensional and would prob. lose like he did a few years ago to Matt Hughes.

Again, re-read what I say.

Bob Sapps win's are just because of SIZE and STRENGTH.

Brocks size and strength HELPS him, he does not only depend on it to win. His size is a huge tool in his arsenal, but he goes in with a game plan too. You seem to have some knowledge of the MMA world, then you probably have read a lot about people wanting a super heavy weight class after brocks recent victories.

I can tell you Frank Mir and Randy are both better fighters than Brock though, and his size and strength advantage is what won the fight for him.

[PistolPete33]

Again, re-read what I say.

Bob Sapps win's are just because of SIZE and STRENGTH.

Brocks size and strength HELPS him, he does not only depend on it to win. His size is a huge tool in his arsenal, but he goes in with a game plan too. You seem to have some knowledge of the MMA world, then you probably have read a lot about people wanting a super heavy weight class after brocks recent victories.

I can tell you Frank Mir and Randy are both better fighters than Brock though, and his size and strength advantage is what won the fight for him.

I agree that size and strength are HUGE advantages in a fight. As for adding a super heavyweight division I don't think we'll see that happen. There isn't enough total talent in the HW division right now so until the pool increases we won't see that happen. Also, there aren't a ton of super heavyweight fighters out there.

If you read my earlier post you would also put together that most fighters cut 15-25 pounds to make weight. That being said a 205lb. fighter is really 220-230lbs. and they cut all the water to make the 205 weight limit and rehydrate to be back at 220-230. They do this because if they have the added weight they have an advantage. Everything being equal then the bigger/stronger guy will almost always win.

As for Bruce vs. Arnold it's a no brainer because things are not equal here.

[J-Dogg]

I agree that size and strength are HUGE advantages in a fight. As for adding a super heavyweight division I don't think we'll see that happen. There isn't enough total talent in the HW division right now so until the pool increases we won't see that happen. Also, there aren't a ton of super heavyweight fighters out there.

If you read my earlier post you would also put together that most fighters cut 15-25 pounds to make weight. That being said a 205lb. fighter is really 220-230lbs. and they cut all the water to make the 205 weight limit and rehydrate to be back at 220-230. They do this because if they have the added weight they have an advantage. Everything being equal then the bigger/stronger guy will almost always win.

As for Bruce vs. Arnold it's a no brainer because things are not equal here.

100% agree.

Bruce would be so hard to fight because of his striking, moment and speed. He was only 135lbs, but you would probably exhaust yourself chasing him down getting kicked in the face the entire time.

You'd probably fair better against the little in a bar where his movement is limited.

[rockinred]

Guys, just for the record....don't go picking a fight with a big guy thinking you are going to lay into him because you are small and fast. These threads are cracking me up. Seriously, I have been around for a long time and big boys win the fight 9 out of 10 times. So it is the exact opposite.

I don't think that it is impossible for a smaller guy to take out a bigger guy, but all the years of growing up and boxing, the big boys win and were always the bullies.

If it is some small dude and big wussy then ok, but don't think that big guys aren't rough and mean either. You get a big dude that is mean and violent, it is just that much worse. So for all you little dudes just keep your head clear on this and don't be mislead by all these posts.

Even in the mma arena, it is confined to certain things... Sapp, Lesnar, GSP, all fight in a cage or ring with a set of rules. It is not the same as a street fight at all.

As far as Bruce and Arnold. We only know them from tv... and if I judged from their movies, then Arnold would kill us all... look at his fighting skills in commando or conan. lol. Seriously, I don't know eithers temperment in real life. No one knows if Arnold use to be a scrapper. It is totally possible that if he got a hold of Bruce he could freakin pound the shit out of him. now if they are in a wide open football field fighting then I can see Bruce lee running and tagging him and running and tagging him with no end. How many fights happen in an open filed anyway?