Also, I am not sure how up to date you are on the contest scene but....the difference between winning at a National Qualifying show and even finishing top 10 at one of the 3 National shows is like comparing a Single A baseball player to a Major League player. There are 100's of bad ass bodybuilders that compete at Nationals for several years and cant crack the top 5 let alone win. It is a whole different game at that level.