Puffy Nipples - is it too late

[aaron1mix]

Whats up guys. Been a few weeks since I've posted. I'm wondering if the puffy nipples will go away. Here's some info.

I've got 1 week left of a 12 week cycle. about 3 weeks in I got itchy nips and took some Nolva - cleared up almost instantly. I then found out the Nolva and Deca are not good together so I got some "Liquidex"

3 weeks later the itchyness was back. I started with .5mg of liquidex EOD. After a couple of weeks not much change so I went to .5mg ED. 2 weeks later still nothing! Nipples just got puffier and more itchy.

Here I am week 11, stopped the deca at week 10. I took Nolva @ 40mg first day then I have been on 20mg ED. The itchyness and sensitivity is going away but they are still puffy. Will the puffyness ever go away, or am I screwed.

Anyone that has experienced this, advice is appreciated. Am I stuck with puffy nipples for good?

[peachfuzz]

the fact that you got "puffy nipples" does not qualify you to state that the liquidex is no good. the cause is likely a result of increased prolactin stimulated by the deca. this is something you should have had an understanding of prior to starting the cycle. you can try some caber or prami and see if it helps but there is no saying one way or the other. make sure you run an adequate post cycle as well.

by the way deca takes around 18 days to clear, so if you stopped it at week 10 and then started the nolva the following day then your still running deca and nolva together.

[aaron1mix]

I know the Deca is still in my system but I have no other option. I started the cycle with everything in hand. The problem is what I have is not working.

You're right. I can't say for sure the liquidex is not good. Without testing it there is no proof. But in my experience, it did not do anything. My nipples are not just puffy. If I dry them off wrong in the shower it feels like my nipple just tore off. This is much more than just the puffiness.

I would love to run caber or prami, but I can't get them and it is too late. The only thing I can do is keep running the Nolva. The Nolva seems to be working again. Just not as quick this time. If the puffiness is from prolactin then that means it will go away.

I've been researching for about 5-6 months. Probably not long enough but it's impossible to forecast the way my body will react. I ran through all the scenarios and had an out for each one. Now I'm stuck in a bad situation and need to make the best of it.

I appreciate your advice fuzz. I've read plenty of your posts and you know what your are talking about. Just don't think I went into this with my eyes closed.

I will start my PCT at week 15 and run it like normal. I just need to nip this problem now bad joke~

[1bigun11]

the fact that you got "puffy nipples" does not qualify you to state that the liquidex is no good. the cause is likely a result of increased prolactin stimulated by the deca. this is something you should have had an understanding of prior to starting the cycle. you can try some caber or prami and see if it helps but there is no saying one way or the other. make sure you run an adequate post cycle as well.

by the way deca takes around 18 days to clear, so if you stopped it at week 10 and then started the nolva the following day then your still running deca and nolva together.

I agree with above. You dont have estrogen gyno from aromatism, (which Lyon's liquidex, an AI, will cure), you have 19 nor, prolactin gyno, from the deca.

As stated above, the cure for 19nor gyno is prami or caber. Nolvadex, a SERM, will make it worse; and Arimedex (or L-dex) will do nothing for it.

You took the wrong thing bro. Dont blame Lyon. He's gtg.

[alpmaster]

The first thing you need to do is tell us who is that girl in your avatar, and then we may help answer your questions.

[peachfuzz]

I know the Deca is still in my system but I have no other option. I started the cycle with everything in hand. The problem is what I have is not working.

You're right. I can't say for sure the liquidex is not good. Without testing it there is no proof. But in my experience, it did not do anything. My nipples are not just puffy. If I dry them off wrong in the shower it feels like my nipple just tore off. This is much more than just the puffiness.

I would love to run caber or prami, but I can't get them and it is too late. The only thing I can do is keep running the Nolva. The Nolva seems to be working again. Just not as quick this time. If the puffiness is from prolactin then that means it will go away.

I've been researching for about 5-6 months. Probably not long enough but it's impossible to forecast the way my body will react. I ran through all the scenarios and had an out for each one. Now I'm stuck in a bad situation and need to make the best of it.

I appreciate your advice fuzz. I've read plenty of your posts and you know what your are talking about. Just don't think I went into this with my eyes closed.

I will start my PCT at week 15 and run it like normal. I just need to nip this problem now bad joke~

If you squeeze your nipples does any fluid come out?

are you still on the liquidex? if not when did you stop it? what all are you taking? are you still on test?

[1bigun11]

The first thing you need to do is tell us who is that girl in your avatar, and then we may help answer your questions.

I agree that this is necessary.

[aaron1mix]

You guys are right. I will retract my statement from above about the liquidex. I didn't want to name drop and jumped to the wrong conclusion based on my own knowledge (which was way off).

It sucks that now I am learning about prolactin gyno. It was not even something that was brought to my attention before I started. I had my cycle and PCT blessed a couple of times as well as the on hand AI, which I needed. I didn't know much about caber and why it is needed, just saw it discussed a few times, never Deca related conversations.

Sooo, now what? Am I f*ck*d? Do I have to just wait for the Deca to clear and hope things get better?

I asked this same question 6 weeks ago in the PCT forum and got no responses like this. I am finally getting steered in the right direction, just wish it would have been 6 weeks ago while I had time to find some Caber.

[aaron1mix]

I agree that this is necessary.

LMAO, I felt that since I was having nipple problems, I would need a more positive visual.

[peachfuzz]

You guys are right. I will retract my statement from above about the liquidex. I didn't want to name drop and jumped to the wrong conclusion based on my own knowledge (which was way off).

It sucks that now I am learning about prolactin gyno. It was not even something that was brought to my attention before I started. I had my cycle and PCT blessed a couple of times as well as the on hand AI, which I needed. I didn't know much about caber and why it is needed, just saw it discussed a few times, never Deca related conversations.

Sooo, now what? Am I f*ck*d? Do I have to just wait for the Deca to clear and hope things get better?

I asked this same question 6 weeks ago in the PCT forum and got no responses like this. I am finally getting steered in the right direction, just wish it would have been 6 weeks ago while I had time to find some Caber.

Dont forget to answer my above questions so i can help you out as best i can? I wouldnt say an AI is not useless against prolactin gyno.

and yes things should settle down after cessation of the cycle but as far as going away completely its unlikely.

[1bigun11]

You guys are right. I will retract my statement from above about the liquidex. I didn't want to name drop and jumped to the wrong conclusion based on my own knowledge (which was way off).

It sucks that now I am learning about prolactin gyno. It was not even something that was brought to my attention before I started. I had my cycle and PCT blessed a couple of times as well as the on hand AI, which I needed. I didn't know much about caber and why it is needed, just saw it discussed a few times, never Deca related conversations.

Sooo, now what? Am I f*ck*d? Do I have to just wait for the Deca to clear and hope things get better?

I asked this same question 6 weeks ago in the PCT forum and got no responses like this. I am finally getting steered in the right direction, just wish it would have been 6 weeks ago while I had time to find some Caber.

Check your pm.

[aaron1mix]

Dont forget to answer my above questions so i can help you out as best i can? I wouldnt say an AI is not useless against prolactin gyno.

and yes things should settle down after cessation of the cycle but as far as going away completely its unlikely.

Fuzz bro, sorry man but I think I missed your questions. I reread your posts but didn't seem them.

What would you like me to answer? I more than happy to give you all the info you need.

[peachfuzz]

If you squeeze your nipples does any fluid come out?

are you still on the liquidex? if not when did you stop it? what all are you taking? are you still on test?

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[aaron1mix]

If you squeeze your nipples does any fluid come out?

are you still on the liquidex? if not when did you stop it? what all are you taking? are you still on test?

Never mind, they popped up late for some reason.

No fluid comes out when I squeez them - I can't squeeze to hard cuz they are sensitive as sh*t.

I stopped the liquidex on Tuesday last week - 4 days ago.

I am taking deca/sustanon - 10wk deca/12wk sust. I have 1 week left of the sust. Then 3 weeks off then PCT.

[peachfuzz]

Oh man alot of hormone fluctuation going on here but at this point my only main concern would be addressing the gyno. I would stay on the AI until post cycle (.5mg ED), and if you feel the nolva is helping you can continue that too but personally id wait a few days for the dex to take effect and drop the nolva until post.

If the PM changes anything for you let me know.

[aaron1mix]

Thanks for the help guys! Should I run the PM and the liquidex at the same time. One is an AI inhibitor and the other a prolactin inhibitor.

I was using the dex at .5ED for a couple of weeks but didn't notice anything. Maybe it is dosed low, should I try .75ED? I will continue with it though. Seems like the best option for now. Just a few weeks to go.....

[peachfuzz]

yes you run them both concurrent and no i would just keep the AI at .5mg ED. even if underdosed it should still be more then enough. let me know if you need help dosing the other. once you start the other you should notice improvement rather quickly

[aaron1mix]

Whats up fuzz. I sent you a PM yesterday but I am not sure if they are working. It was an update on the above. Did you get it by chance?